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That all sounds nice, but if the government (US) doesn't honor it's own laws, what s to stop it from using unreasonable measures to coerce Amazon into doing wh

That all sounds nice, but if the government (US) doesn't honor it's own laws, what s to stop it from using unreasonable measures to coerce Amazon into doing what it wants? This whole setup collapses when Bezos calls someone and says "you're fired if you don't do as I say", which he might if Trump leans heavily on him or threatens to take control.

thih9 1y ago
> AWS will establish an independent advisory board for the AWS European Sovereign Cloud, legally obligated to act in the best interest of the AWS European Sovereign Cloud. The above quote implies that the threat from Bezos should have no effect. Then again, I have no experience in corporate politics. Are you saying that even with that quote the "AWS European Sovereign Cloud" setup is pointless in practice?
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  I think you are ignoring the word “advisory” in the phrase “independent advisory board for the AWS European Sovereign Cloud”. An advisory board is very different from a governing board.
  - unethical_ban 1y ago
    What about "independent" and "legally obligated"? At worst it sounds like a canary.
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > What about "independent" and "legally obligated"? What about them? It can be as independent and legally obligated to focus on whatever set of interests you want, if its only an advisory board, then it has no real power. (And, unless there is some guarantee of information other than what the management of the main org feels like giving it to support its advisory function, it can't even serve as a reliable canary.)
    - mrln 1y ago
      "Independent" does not really change anything about the advisory/governance thing. And tech companies are very well known for breaking laws, especially privacy related ones, so I don't see the point either, yes.
- timeon 1y ago
  > setup is pointless in practice? Depends if PR is pointless.
9283409232 1y ago
Trump doesn't need to be so heavy handed in your imaginary scenario as this is covered by The Cloud Act. The data is still hosted by an American company so with a proper warrant, Amazon will be legally required to hand over data.
- joaonmatos 1y ago
  In this scenario, the US parent company does not have physical access to the data, so it needs to request it from the EU subsidiary. The subsidiary then refuses the transfer to comply with German law.

thih9 1y ago

> AWS will establish an independent advisory board for the AWS European Sovereign Cloud, legally obligated to act in the best interest of the AWS European Sovereign Cloud. The above quote implies that the threat from Bezos should have no effect. Then again, I have no experience in corporate politics. Are you saying that even with that quote the "AWS European Sovereign Cloud" setup is pointless in practice?

dragonwriter 1y ago
I think you are ignoring the word “advisory” in the phrase “independent advisory board for the AWS European Sovereign Cloud”. An advisory board is very different from a governing board.
- unethical_ban 1y ago
  What about "independent" and "legally obligated"? At worst it sounds like a canary.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > What about "independent" and "legally obligated"? What about them? It can be as independent and legally obligated to focus on whatever set of interests you want, if its only an advisory board, then it has no real power. (And, unless there is some guarantee of information other than what the management of the main org feels like giving it to support its advisory function, it can't even serve as a reliable canary.)
  - mrln 1y ago
    "Independent" does not really change anything about the advisory/governance thing. And tech companies are very well known for breaking laws, especially privacy related ones, so I don't see the point either, yes.
timeon 1y ago
> setup is pointless in practice? Depends if PR is pointless.

9283409232 1y ago

Trump doesn't need to be so heavy handed in your imaginary scenario as this is covered by The Cloud Act. The data is still hosted by an American company so with a proper warrant, Amazon will be legally required to hand over data.

joaonmatos 1y ago
In this scenario, the US parent company does not have physical access to the data, so it needs to request it from the EU subsidiary. The subsidiary then refuses the transfer to comply with German law.