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Hype hype hype! Data please.

jf22 1y ago
What kind of "data" do you want? I'm submitting twice as many PRs with twice as much complexity. Changes that would take weeks take minutes. I generated 50 new endpoints for our API in a week. Last time we added 20 it took a month.
- vitaflo 1y ago
  Unless you’re being paid on a fixed bid it doesn’t matter. Someone else is reaping the rewards of your productivity not you. You’re being paid the same as your half-as-productive coworkers.
  - jf22 1y ago
    I think it matters very much if the person next to me is 2x as productive and I'm not.
  - continuational 1y ago
    Isn't this the case regardless of whether you use AI or not? Is this an argument for being less productive?
  - sokoloff 1y ago
    I'm a manager of software engineers. I have absolutely no intention of paying engineer B the same as half-as-productive engineer A. Figuring out the best way to determine productivity is still a hard problem, but I think it's a category error to think that productivity gains go exclusively to the company. If all (or even most) of the engineers on your team who were previously your equal become durably twice as productive and your productivity remains unchanged, your income prospects will go down, quite possibly to zero.
- continuational 1y ago
  What kind of data would you want? I'm 100x as productive now that I eat breakfast while reciting the declaration of independence. You really should try it. Don't give up, it works if you do it just right. Edit: I realize this line of argument doesn't really lead anywhere. I leave you with this Carl Sagan quote: > Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (or perhaps we can just agree that claims require evidence, and not the anecdotal kind)
  - jf22 1y ago
    This is an immature bad faith interpretation. The thing is there are loads of people making these claims and they aren't that extraordinary. The claims for coding productivity increases were extraordinary 12 months ago, now they are fully realized and in use every day.
    - continuational 1y ago
      Please refrain from ad hominem attacks.
      - jf22 1y ago
        I'm not sure which part of my comment used an aspect of you to undermine the credibility of your argument. So many people get ad hominem wrong. I'm intrigued that someone who made a bad faith comparison like you would be so aghast at an ad hominem.
      - pxc 1y ago
        That's not what ad hominem means
        continuational 1y ago
        Calling someone "immature" can be considered an ad hominem attack if it is used as a way to dismiss or undermine their argument without addressing the substance of what they are saying.

jf22 1y ago

What kind of "data" do you want? I'm submitting twice as many PRs with twice as much complexity. Changes that would take weeks take minutes. I generated 50 new endpoints for our API in a week. Last time we added 20 it took a month.

vitaflo 1y ago
Unless you’re being paid on a fixed bid it doesn’t matter. Someone else is reaping the rewards of your productivity not you. You’re being paid the same as your half-as-productive coworkers.
- jf22 1y ago
  I think it matters very much if the person next to me is 2x as productive and I'm not.
- continuational 1y ago
  Isn't this the case regardless of whether you use AI or not? Is this an argument for being less productive?
- sokoloff 1y ago
  I'm a manager of software engineers. I have absolutely no intention of paying engineer B the same as half-as-productive engineer A. Figuring out the best way to determine productivity is still a hard problem, but I think it's a category error to think that productivity gains go exclusively to the company. If all (or even most) of the engineers on your team who were previously your equal become durably twice as productive and your productivity remains unchanged, your income prospects will go down, quite possibly to zero.
continuational 1y ago
What kind of data would you want? I'm 100x as productive now that I eat breakfast while reciting the declaration of independence. You really should try it. Don't give up, it works if you do it just right. Edit: I realize this line of argument doesn't really lead anywhere. I leave you with this Carl Sagan quote: > Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (or perhaps we can just agree that claims require evidence, and not the anecdotal kind)
- jf22 1y ago
  This is an immature bad faith interpretation. The thing is there are loads of people making these claims and they aren't that extraordinary. The claims for coding productivity increases were extraordinary 12 months ago, now they are fully realized and in use every day.
  - continuational 1y ago
    Please refrain from ad hominem attacks.
    - jf22 1y ago
      I'm not sure which part of my comment used an aspect of you to undermine the credibility of your argument. So many people get ad hominem wrong. I'm intrigued that someone who made a bad faith comparison like you would be so aghast at an ad hominem.
    - pxc 1y ago
      That's not what ad hominem means
      - continuational 1y ago
        Calling someone "immature" can be considered an ad hominem attack if it is used as a way to dismiss or undermine their argument without addressing the substance of what they are saying.