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being a pro-bike activist in a very car-friendly french city, this argument comes up in every. single. comment section. no matter whether there's anything relat
by black_puppydog 1y ago
being a pro-bike activist in a very car-friendly french city, this argument comes up in every. single. comment section. no matter whether there's anything related to actual bikes in there, or whether accidents were the topic at all. Literally in comments on articles like "hey we're organizing a bike ride for kids this weekend."
So forgive me if it's a bit hard to take this seriously. I'll still try to address this because for once I'm not handicapped by my lacking French. :D
The reason you don't feel as threatened by cars as you are by bikes is (without knowing you in person) twofold:
1. As societies, being collectively used to cars and accepting things we'd never accept in any other context when things relate to cars. Search the webs for "motonormativity" if you want the slightly more academic take on this. Since you were a kid, you were probably taught how to "co-"inhabit the road with cars. I put the quotes there because in most places, it's really cars who inhabit, and everyone else who's accepted onto the road, provided they don't impede on drivers' comfort.
2. Infrastructure is built in most places to more or less cleanly segregate pedestrians from cars. There's nothing stopping us from doing the same for bikes and pedestrians, but in most places we don't. Even though inside cities bikes can and do often move faster than cars, and therefore have a higher speed differential wrt pedestrians, their infrastructure is often woefully inadequate to deal with this. Here in southern france they even often put bikes explicitly on the sidewalk, which comes down to a "no biking" policy. Even where bike lanes are put in place, they're often ill-conceived. It turns out, the bike/pedestrian interaction in traffic is not at all the same as the car/pedestrian interaction. The Netherlands and other places have decades of experience in this by now, yet somehow this knowledge is not actively pulled by hesitant local authorities.
I was already quite interested in all of this but recently I also read "Movement" by Thalia Verkade and Marco te Brömmelstroet [1] and I loved it. If you're wondering why certain things in cities suck so hard, IMHO it's a good start.
[1]: https://islandpress.org/books/movement https://islandpress.org/books/movement
edit: had swapped "cars" and "bikes" in one sentence, that made no sense. :D
- meagher 1y agoSolid post! If you ever come to Brooklyn, would love to get coffee and chat more about this stuff.
- 0xBDB 1y ago> The reason you don't feel as threatened by cars as you are by bikes is (without knowing you in person) twofold Neither of your two points covers the reason I feel more threatened by e-bikes, which is that the last time I was in Manhattan I stepped out into a one-way street without looking the other way (my bad) only to be nearly hit in the bike line by an e-bike coming the wrong way at max speed. The person you were responding to pointed out that the operators of bikes simply don't obey traffic laws (perhaps France is different, but I doubt it). That is at least forgivable if you're trying to conserve hard-pedaled momentum but not if you're operating a 75-pound motor vehicle at 28mph. Perhaps my chance of being killed by an e-bike is still lower than it would be for a car, but it's not totally irrational for people to prefer things that are higher risk, but more predictable, to those that are lower risk but still dangerous and aren't at all predictable.
- black_puppydog 1y agoAs a cyclist myself I can't say that cars are terribly predictable. Especially not when parked. I've had my fair share of near-death experiences with doors randomly opening right onto the (mandatory) bike lane.
- const_cast 1y agoI think these conversations are inherently tainted by our culture of widespread acceptance and subsidizing of motor vehicles. Cars are held to a much lower standard of behavior in just about every regard, and they're frequently the number 1 most prioritized from of transportation when we build, well, anything. It's easy to say that cars obey laws but really they don't, that's part of the reason why cars are orders of magnitude more likely to kill you. That's why, despite cars being the golden child of transportation infrastructure, they're still the most dangerous. Because people don't obey laws. They speed, they follow too close, they roll through stop signs, they stop on crosswalks, they turn right as pedestrians are crossing, and on and on. And, when they do disobey laws, it's much more difficult for them to abort.