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At the cost of a generally worse end user experience and no offline ability. I am glad Apple didn't do that and stayed native for nearly everything. This is a

by neepi 1y ago

At the cost of a generally worse end user experience and no offline ability. I am glad Apple didn't do that and stayed native for nearly everything. This is a big selling point for me.

jollyllama 1y ago
> At the cost of a generally worse end user experience and no offline ability. Yes. This is a cost and a benefit you weigh according to the capabilities of your development team. If there is nobody to outcompete you, that is factor into the decision.
- neepi 1y ago
  What happened to the customer in that line of thinking?
  - jollyllama 1y ago
    "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."
    - neepi 1y ago
      I read that as "We feel the customer be happy with mediocre"
      - cassianoleal 1y ago
        Yeah... I don't think happy is even a consideration. Due to the lack of choice, the customer will have to content even if the experience is way off. As long as all the competition is more or less as bad as your product, there's very little incentive to improve on that.
        neepi 1y ago
        Every time someone ships an Electron app to my computer it feels like I am paying for their reduction in development costs with my hardware.
const_cast 1y ago
> I am glad Apple didn't do that and stayed native for nearly everything. This is a big selling point for me. Right, but Apple also perfectly exemplifies the problem with that approach - their software is incredibly limited, and can only run on a ridiculously small number of computers. Even if the software is good, which ehhh, but even if it is - there are cons to that approach. To expand, this also hurts the customer in a lot of direct and non-direct ways. You're forced to buy Apple hardware, and that hardware might not meet your capabilities. This further fuels anti-consumerist anti-repair behavior, because they know that their computers are the only ones you can use. And, since they create their own market, they kind of have you in golden handcuffs. If their prices go up, which they do and already are high, you're along for the ride.
- neepi 1y ago
  This is a pretty big straw man. While there are cons, you overstate all of those.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    I didn't overstate them, if anything I was far too generous. It's plainly true that Apple software locks you into Apple devices, which are more expensive than they should be. In addition, those devices are some of the most anti-consumer computers made. You can't repair them, they're locked down. What Apple does is impressive, sure. But let's not pretend that making mediocre software that runs on 1% of computers is anything compared to the Web. They have fundamentally different goals, which is why native Apple software doesn't compete with the web.
    - neepi 1y ago
      It doesn't. I work across both Windows and Apple stuff and have zero issues moving things back and forth on a regular basis. Hell even their email is plain IMAP+SMTP. Try that with O365/Microsoft. As for the repair? You can literally buy parts here and repair them yourselves. I have actually had to replace a USB-C port on my last M1 MBP and it was dead easy. https://selfservicerepair.com/ https://selfservicerepair.com/ . I see this everywhere I go: parroting the same misinformed garbage about their repair situation. You just dislike Apple and can't wait to tell everyone about it.

by neepi 1y ago

At the cost of a generally worse end user experience and no offline ability. I am glad Apple didn't do that and stayed native for nearly everything. This is a big selling point for me.

jollyllama 1y ago

> At the cost of a generally worse end user experience and no offline ability. Yes. This is a cost and a benefit you weigh according to the capabilities of your development team. If there is nobody to outcompete you, that is factor into the decision.

neepi 1y ago
What happened to the customer in that line of thinking?
- jollyllama 1y ago
  "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."
  - neepi 1y ago
    I read that as "We feel the customer be happy with mediocre"
    - cassianoleal 1y ago
      Yeah... I don't think happy is even a consideration. Due to the lack of choice, the customer will have to content even if the experience is way off. As long as all the competition is more or less as bad as your product, there's very little incentive to improve on that.
      - neepi 1y ago
        Every time someone ships an Electron app to my computer it feels like I am paying for their reduction in development costs with my hardware.

const_cast 1y ago

> I am glad Apple didn't do that and stayed native for nearly everything. This is a big selling point for me. Right, but Apple also perfectly exemplifies the problem with that approach - their software is incredibly limited, and can only run on a ridiculously small number of computers. Even if the software is good, which ehhh, but even if it is - there are cons to that approach. To expand, this also hurts the customer in a lot of direct and non-direct ways. You're forced to buy Apple hardware, and that hardware might not meet your capabilities. This further fuels anti-consumerist anti-repair behavior, because they know that their computers are the only ones you can use. And, since they create their own market, they kind of have you in golden handcuffs. If their prices go up, which they do and already are high, you're along for the ride.

neepi 1y ago
This is a pretty big straw man. While there are cons, you overstate all of those.
- const_cast 1y ago
  I didn't overstate them, if anything I was far too generous. It's plainly true that Apple software locks you into Apple devices, which are more expensive than they should be. In addition, those devices are some of the most anti-consumer computers made. You can't repair them, they're locked down. What Apple does is impressive, sure. But let's not pretend that making mediocre software that runs on 1% of computers is anything compared to the Web. They have fundamentally different goals, which is why native Apple software doesn't compete with the web.
  - neepi 1y ago
    It doesn't. I work across both Windows and Apple stuff and have zero issues moving things back and forth on a regular basis. Hell even their email is plain IMAP+SMTP. Try that with O365/Microsoft. As for the repair? You can literally buy parts here and repair them yourselves. I have actually had to replace a USB-C port on my last M1 MBP and it was dead easy. https://selfservicerepair.com/ https://selfservicerepair.com/ . I see this everywhere I go: parroting the same misinformed garbage about their repair situation. You just dislike Apple and can't wait to tell everyone about it.