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I think Rich knows that you can't sell a technology or language, you have to sell a product. That's why he did Datomic. That said, I write Scala at my current

I think Rich knows that you can't sell a technology or language, you have to sell a product. That's why he did Datomic. That said, I write Scala at my current job and am super excited that Typesafe got this funding. Please, Typesafe, follow Rich's lead. Make a real product backed by a technology, not a bunch of libraries! I want you to be around for years to come. p.s. we're hiring. You don't even have to be super smart, just be passionate. owreese AT gmail DOT com

fogus 14y ago
Make a real product backed by a technology Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that they tried that with "Cloud Akka". I do not know the details as to why, but I believe that tech is now open source.
jonas_boner 14y ago
Typesafe has a product; the Typesafe Stack. It's not just "a bunch of libraries". Add to this the Typesafe Console that you get as part of it (http://console-demo.typesafe.com/ http://console-demo.typesafe.com/) and I think you have a pretty nice and complete product.
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snprbob86 14y ago
> That's why he did Datomic. That's definitely one reason. I'm willing to bet the other reason is that he believes that the world needs Datomic. Because it really, really does. His talks make it clear that he deeply understands that.
- erichocean 14y ago
  The world needs another piece of closed source, proprietary infrastructure written in an obscure language? My number one rule for infrastructure software: never, ever build your business on closed source software. Doesn't matter if it's free, or costs tens of thousands of dollars per month to operate, or is written by a superhuman like developer. You will be hurt Every. Single. Time. if you do.
  - snprbob86 14y ago
    > another piece of closed source, proprietary infrastructure No, the world needs a modernized view of the relational database model. > an obscure language The APIs are Java-first, Clojure-second. The implementation is a mix of the two. Java isn't that obscure... > never, ever build your business on closed source software. I agree with that. Ask any one of my new coworkers how they feel about this company's dependency on Oracle and they'll tell you that they learned that lesson. I'm not proposing that you take a dependency on Datomic for your startup. I'm saying that there are a lot of enterprises who have no choice, but to take dependencies on things they don't understand because they aren't software companies. Microsoft's entire enterprise business depends on people who want to outsource infrastructure to somebody else, and those customers pay enough money to secure the future and direction of that infrastructure. Rich Hickey & co can capitalize on that group of people. He gets to help them and they'll pay him for it. Along the way, database systems will adopt the improvements and new ideas that Datomic is leading the way with.
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fogus 14y ago

Make a real product backed by a technology Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that they tried that with "Cloud Akka". I do not know the details as to why, but I believe that tech is now open source.

jonas_boner 14y ago

Typesafe has a product; the Typesafe Stack. It's not just "a bunch of libraries". Add to this the Typesafe Console that you get as part of it (http://console-demo.typesafe.com/ http://console-demo.typesafe.com/) and I think you have a pretty nice and complete product.

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snprbob86 14y ago

> That's why he did Datomic. That's definitely one reason. I'm willing to bet the other reason is that he believes that the world needs Datomic. Because it really, really does. His talks make it clear that he deeply understands that.

erichocean 14y ago
The world needs another piece of closed source, proprietary infrastructure written in an obscure language? My number one rule for infrastructure software: never, ever build your business on closed source software. Doesn't matter if it's free, or costs tens of thousands of dollars per month to operate, or is written by a superhuman like developer. You will be hurt Every. Single. Time. if you do.
- snprbob86 14y ago
  > another piece of closed source, proprietary infrastructure No, the world needs a modernized view of the relational database model. > an obscure language The APIs are Java-first, Clojure-second. The implementation is a mix of the two. Java isn't that obscure... > never, ever build your business on closed source software. I agree with that. Ask any one of my new coworkers how they feel about this company's dependency on Oracle and they'll tell you that they learned that lesson. I'm not proposing that you take a dependency on Datomic for your startup. I'm saying that there are a lot of enterprises who have no choice, but to take dependencies on things they don't understand because they aren't software companies. Microsoft's entire enterprise business depends on people who want to outsource infrastructure to somebody else, and those customers pay enough money to secure the future and direction of that infrastructure. Rich Hickey & co can capitalize on that group of people. He gets to help them and they'll pay him for it. Along the way, database systems will adopt the improvements and new ideas that Datomic is leading the way with.

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