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Didn't the current president of the US say that his 2016 election was stolen and triggered an insurrection, and then proceed to pardon those who attacked democr

Didn't the current president of the US say that his 2016 election was stolen and triggered an insurrection, and then proceed to pardon those who attacked democratic institutions? Isn't he now seeking to dismantle all the checks and balances, all while doing crypto dumps, enabling him to receive money from undisclosed sources? This is your democratic reference? > At this time there are 0 people worth talking about in the Commission or the council. What's with the cult of personality? Why do you need someone worth talking about? For example, everyone talks about Trump for all the wrong reasons, does that mean that's worth it? It just sounds like you don't know much about the EU.

l11r 1y ago
Trump will leave office in 2028 just like any other US president. The only difference between now and then is extreme polarization all over the world because a lot of emerging problems. I am originally from Russia and I cannot read this seriously. Yes, there are problems in US democracy. But it still works and LIGHT YEARS ahead of what you can see in Russia. Those comparisons with Nazi Germany and other oppressive regimes are just insane. They devalue words, and you just won't find the right ones when shit really hits the fan.
- hobs 1y ago
  There's been plenty of indications that's not true. Trump has been floating a third term and a Trump regime with his children. He said the election was stolen. He tried to steal it himself. You are basically saying "Well TODAY the United States is fine!" but if you look at the trendline Russia is basically still shit, and we now have an insurrectionist as a President whose spending a significant portion of his time destroying American institutions as far beyond repair as he can.
- libertine 1y ago
  > Trump will leave office in 2028 just like any other US president. Trump has been openly playing with the idea of a third term, and has spoken about ways of achieving this. What makes you so sure he will leave office in 2028? > I am originally from Russia and I cannot read this seriously. Yes, there are problems in US democracy. But it still works and LIGHT YEARS ahead of what you can see in Russia. I don't understand where you're getting the idea of comparing with Russia, Nazi Germany or other oppresive regimes. I asked the question about what other countries and organizations are in a better position to lecture about democracy. Acknowledging that the USA is currently in an institutional and democratic crisis doesn't mean they're Russia; it means they're on the wrong trajectory.
  - l11r 1y ago
    > Trump has been openly playing with the idea of a third term Because Trump is just a blabbermouth. Sorry, but people are just indoctrinated from both sides. You can check prediction markets and see the real odds of Trump not leaving the office. Yep, there is a chance, but IMO it's around 5% max. > I don't understand where you're getting the idea of comparing with ... Yes, I understand that US has democracy crisis. And so has the Europe! The problem is that there are no longer healthy examples in the world, except maybe smaller countries. Democracy as a thing is dying, but US are still holding the torch IMO.
    - libertine 1y ago
      > Because Trump is just a blabbermouth... US are still holding the torch IMO. Tell that to the deported people without due process for example, it's not blabbermouthing, these are concrete actions that affect people's lives. I think there are plenty of healthy examples by all standards, other than the US, none of them are perfect, of course.
    - FireBeyond 1y ago
      > You can check prediction markets and see the real odds of Trump not leaving the office. LOL what? Gambling odds have no relevance to this. Bookmakers are not working on any privileged information.
    - archagon 1y ago
      Prediction markets are nothing more than a vibe check. They do not have access to any more information than we do.
  - codedokode 1y ago
    > Trump has been openly playing with the idea of a third term, and has spoken about ways of achieving this. Well given the ratio between what he says he would do and what he actually does I would not be much worried if I lived in US.
    - const_cast 1y ago
- archagon 1y ago
  I am also from Russia. Since this apparently gives me authority to speak on these matters, I can confidently say that what’s happening in the US today looks remarkably like Putin’s consolidation of power. How long until Congress is nothing more than an executive rubber stamp like the Duma? The judicial system is currently functioning as the only check against executive overreach, and it’s just a matter of time until injunctions are nullified or ignored as a matter of course.
  - illiac786 1y ago
    I agree it’s not light years rather normal years away from Russian political system. Maybe not 5 years, but lets say 10-15 years of this shit and the US will look a lot like Russia (from a government form perspective). If Vance takes over after Trump, we will miss Trump I have a feeling. But I am not from Russia, though part of my family is. I guess I am then only a half expert ;)

l11r 1y ago

Trump will leave office in 2028 just like any other US president. The only difference between now and then is extreme polarization all over the world because a lot of emerging problems. I am originally from Russia and I cannot read this seriously. Yes, there are problems in US democracy. But it still works and LIGHT YEARS ahead of what you can see in Russia. Those comparisons with Nazi Germany and other oppressive regimes are just insane. They devalue words, and you just won't find the right ones when shit really hits the fan.

hobs 1y ago
There's been plenty of indications that's not true. Trump has been floating a third term and a Trump regime with his children. He said the election was stolen. He tried to steal it himself. You are basically saying "Well TODAY the United States is fine!" but if you look at the trendline Russia is basically still shit, and we now have an insurrectionist as a President whose spending a significant portion of his time destroying American institutions as far beyond repair as he can.
libertine 1y ago
> Trump will leave office in 2028 just like any other US president. Trump has been openly playing with the idea of a third term, and has spoken about ways of achieving this. What makes you so sure he will leave office in 2028? > I am originally from Russia and I cannot read this seriously. Yes, there are problems in US democracy. But it still works and LIGHT YEARS ahead of what you can see in Russia. I don't understand where you're getting the idea of comparing with Russia, Nazi Germany or other oppresive regimes. I asked the question about what other countries and organizations are in a better position to lecture about democracy. Acknowledging that the USA is currently in an institutional and democratic crisis doesn't mean they're Russia; it means they're on the wrong trajectory.
- l11r 1y ago
  > Trump has been openly playing with the idea of a third term Because Trump is just a blabbermouth. Sorry, but people are just indoctrinated from both sides. You can check prediction markets and see the real odds of Trump not leaving the office. Yep, there is a chance, but IMO it's around 5% max. > I don't understand where you're getting the idea of comparing with ... Yes, I understand that US has democracy crisis. And so has the Europe! The problem is that there are no longer healthy examples in the world, except maybe smaller countries. Democracy as a thing is dying, but US are still holding the torch IMO.
  - libertine 1y ago
    > Because Trump is just a blabbermouth... US are still holding the torch IMO. Tell that to the deported people without due process for example, it's not blabbermouthing, these are concrete actions that affect people's lives. I think there are plenty of healthy examples by all standards, other than the US, none of them are perfect, of course.
  - FireBeyond 1y ago
    > You can check prediction markets and see the real odds of Trump not leaving the office. LOL what? Gambling odds have no relevance to this. Bookmakers are not working on any privileged information.
  - archagon 1y ago
    Prediction markets are nothing more than a vibe check. They do not have access to any more information than we do.
- codedokode 1y ago
  > Trump has been openly playing with the idea of a third term, and has spoken about ways of achieving this. Well given the ratio between what he says he would do and what he actually does I would not be much worried if I lived in US.
  - const_cast 1y ago
archagon 1y ago
I am also from Russia. Since this apparently gives me authority to speak on these matters, I can confidently say that what’s happening in the US today looks remarkably like Putin’s consolidation of power. How long until Congress is nothing more than an executive rubber stamp like the Duma? The judicial system is currently functioning as the only check against executive overreach, and it’s just a matter of time until injunctions are nullified or ignored as a matter of course.
- illiac786 1y ago
  I agree it’s not light years rather normal years away from Russian political system. Maybe not 5 years, but lets say 10-15 years of this shit and the US will look a lot like Russia (from a government form perspective). If Vance takes over after Trump, we will miss Trump I have a feeling. But I am not from Russia, though part of my family is. I guess I am then only a half expert ;)