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> The US. The EU is a bureaucratic institution, not a democratic one, The US has a democratic system where the President is ultimately voted for by an unelecte

> The US. The EU is a bureaucratic institution, not a democratic one, The US has a democratic system where the President is ultimately voted for by an unelected electoral college who can refuse to vote for the candidate their state voted for and has ended up with the candidate with most votes loosing. Then said president can change the countries top court on obviously political lines and re-interpret existing laws and the constitution. > At this time there are 0 people worth talking about in the Commission or the council The European Commission has no need to play popularity contests, it's accountable to the heads of governments, not randoms on social media.

seydor 1y ago
> it's accountable to the heads of governments The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries. There has been 0 cases where the head of the commision was held accountable for something. Actually the current head has been found guilty by the EU court for hiding text messages. Who is going to hold her accountable and how ? I m all for the EU but defending its despicable leadership with arguments that reverse reality is not doing any favors to anyone
- ChocolateGod 1y ago
  > The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries Please link an example of the European Commission cancelling a government or election.
  - nickslaughter02 1y ago
    "Thierry Breton, the European Union’s former internal market commissioner, admitted in a French TV interview at the end of last week that the Romanian Constitutional Court (CCR) bowed to EU pressure. It annulled the country’s presidential elections last month, following the first-round victory of the Eurosceptic and anti-NATO, right-wing populist candidate, Călin Georgescu." https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/former-censorship-tsar-admits-eu-role-in-annulling-romanian-election/ https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/former-censor...
    - libertine 1y ago
      > It annulled the country’s presidential elections last month, following the first-round victory of the Eurosceptic and anti-NATO, right-wing populist candidate, Călin Georgescu. You mean the fellow who illegally received undeclared external foreign funding? More concretely, from Russia, a declared state sponsor of terrorism?
    - gls2ro 1y ago
      Where does he says the CCR bowed to the EU pressure? I followed the link that says _admitted_ and there goes to a Romanian website and they make a similar claim but as far as I can see he talks about applying the laws to protect against interference and not about making CCR decide something. A link to other website that also does not provide any evidence is not evidence even if it looks like a citation.
  - seydor 1y ago
    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-001112_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-0011... https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-10-2025-000150_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-10-2025-0001...
    - gls2ro 1y ago
      These two are questions asked by what I can infer members of the parliament. They are not official statements of the EU Parliament. Anyone can ask any question but that does not make it true. Can you explain why you linked to these two links?a
lttlrck 1y ago
The US doesn't have popular voting system. There are good reasons for it, and in no way does it make the US non-democratic. I don't particularly like the Electoral College - but the history and the cases when members voted against the people are interesting and in some (many?) cases, examples of checks and balances. Checks and balances don't always align with your desires. That's a feature of democracy not a failure.
- ChocolateGod 1y ago
  > in no way does it make the US non-democratic. I wasn't trying to claim the US is non-democratic, I was pointing out to the author of the prior comment that the US system isn't perfect either.
- dataflow 1y ago
  > The US doesn't have popular voting system. There are good reasons for it, and in no way does it make the US non-democratic. Presumably if my votes counted a million times more than yours, you wouldn't say it's still a democracy, right? The extreme here is obviously a single ruler whose vote counts more than everyone else's combined. Where do you draw the line here?
  - illiac786 1y ago
    You are saying, if it’s not direct popular vote, it’s not democratic. Germany and the US are then no democracies by this standard, and I am sure there are much more. I believe UK also not. That’s your definition, but then I’d like to understand what you call these form of government and how you differentiate from a country like russia, which is also holding elections. The way you phrase it is very binary: either a country has popular vote or it’s the same as the least democratic countries.
    - dataflow 1y ago
      > The way you phrase it is very binary: either a country has popular vote or it’s the same as the least democratic countries. No. I merely pointed out that we have two extremes and that a line needs to be drawn somewhere, and thus asked where the parent commenter draws the line. That's it. I never suggested anything about where I believe the line should be drawn.
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seydor 1y ago

> it's accountable to the heads of governments The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries. There has been 0 cases where the head of the commision was held accountable for something. Actually the current head has been found guilty by the EU court for hiding text messages. Who is going to hold her accountable and how ? I m all for the EU but defending its despicable leadership with arguments that reverse reality is not doing any favors to anyone

ChocolateGod 1y ago
> The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries Please link an example of the European Commission cancelling a government or election.
- nickslaughter02 1y ago
  "Thierry Breton, the European Union’s former internal market commissioner, admitted in a French TV interview at the end of last week that the Romanian Constitutional Court (CCR) bowed to EU pressure. It annulled the country’s presidential elections last month, following the first-round victory of the Eurosceptic and anti-NATO, right-wing populist candidate, Călin Georgescu." https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/former-censorship-tsar-admits-eu-role-in-annulling-romanian-election/ https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/former-censor...
  - libertine 1y ago
    > It annulled the country’s presidential elections last month, following the first-round victory of the Eurosceptic and anti-NATO, right-wing populist candidate, Călin Georgescu. You mean the fellow who illegally received undeclared external foreign funding? More concretely, from Russia, a declared state sponsor of terrorism?
  - gls2ro 1y ago
    Where does he says the CCR bowed to the EU pressure? I followed the link that says _admitted_ and there goes to a Romanian website and they make a similar claim but as far as I can see he talks about applying the laws to protect against interference and not about making CCR decide something. A link to other website that also does not provide any evidence is not evidence even if it looks like a citation.
- seydor 1y ago
  https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-001112_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-0011... https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-10-2025-000150_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-10-2025-0001...
  - gls2ro 1y ago
    These two are questions asked by what I can infer members of the parliament. They are not official statements of the EU Parliament. Anyone can ask any question but that does not make it true. Can you explain why you linked to these two links?a

lttlrck 1y ago

The US doesn't have popular voting system. There are good reasons for it, and in no way does it make the US non-democratic. I don't particularly like the Electoral College - but the history and the cases when members voted against the people are interesting and in some (many?) cases, examples of checks and balances. Checks and balances don't always align with your desires. That's a feature of democracy not a failure.

ChocolateGod 1y ago
> in no way does it make the US non-democratic. I wasn't trying to claim the US is non-democratic, I was pointing out to the author of the prior comment that the US system isn't perfect either.
dataflow 1y ago
> The US doesn't have popular voting system. There are good reasons for it, and in no way does it make the US non-democratic. Presumably if my votes counted a million times more than yours, you wouldn't say it's still a democracy, right? The extreme here is obviously a single ruler whose vote counts more than everyone else's combined. Where do you draw the line here?
- illiac786 1y ago
  You are saying, if it’s not direct popular vote, it’s not democratic. Germany and the US are then no democracies by this standard, and I am sure there are much more. I believe UK also not. That’s your definition, but then I’d like to understand what you call these form of government and how you differentiate from a country like russia, which is also holding elections. The way you phrase it is very binary: either a country has popular vote or it’s the same as the least democratic countries.
  - dataflow 1y ago
    > The way you phrase it is very binary: either a country has popular vote or it’s the same as the least democratic countries. No. I merely pointed out that we have two extremes and that a line needs to be drawn somewhere, and thus asked where the parent commenter draws the line. That's it. I never suggested anything about where I believe the line should be drawn.

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