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> the efficacy on the data provided by thorn, but we don't have any actual information about the trustworthyness of this claims Why would we doubt these claims

> the efficacy on the data provided by thorn, but we don't have any actual information about the trustworthyness of this claims Why would we doubt these claims? North Korea, China, (Soviet) Russia, all of them were and are very effective at using surveillance against their population. Feel free to expand the examples, the list is not meant to be exhaustive.

amarcheschi 1y ago
Because thorn sells software to detect csam and has a commercial interest in making its software appear in the best way possible We also doubt this claims because thorn might have published further data but guess what, we can't because there's no info about it It is also reasonable to assume they use some kind of machine learning, (now we're entering speculation territory since we have few data about it) but the Ai act would require high risk ai systems - and I think a csam detection algorithm would be that - to comply with some requirements in regard to transparency for the product to be used
miohtama 1y ago
Already in the EU Spain, Poland and Hungary are illegally using Pegasus spyware to spy their own opposition politicians. Why they should settle less with lawful means if they already use illegal means.
- amarcheschi 1y ago
  That's some secret service or at least non public things though, what is being regulated is "clear day" practices I know it's not the best, but still
  - miohtama 1y ago
    And why do you think this regulation would stop abuse if it were made available? Poland has corrupted judges who were onboard with opposition spying. "But the commission cannot do much – CBA [Central Anticorruption Bureau] management and the Constitutional Tribunal, packed with PiS [judges], are obstructing its proceedings. In such an environment, any work based on facts and merit is pretty much impossible.”" https://balkaninsight.com/2025/02/25/pegasus-in-poland-a-flight-for-justice-that-never-took-off/ https://balkaninsight.com/2025/02/25/pegasus-in-poland-a-fli...
    - amarcheschi 1y ago
      Regulation is not to stop abuse of the law, regulation is made to say what can be done lawfully
      - miohtama 1y ago
        But, in this case, we are not talking only about regulation, but having a law-mandated backdoor in the every device on the planet. Stopping abuse is not to have that backdoor.

amarcheschi 1y ago

Because thorn sells software to detect csam and has a commercial interest in making its software appear in the best way possible We also doubt this claims because thorn might have published further data but guess what, we can't because there's no info about it It is also reasonable to assume they use some kind of machine learning, (now we're entering speculation territory since we have few data about it) but the Ai act would require high risk ai systems - and I think a csam detection algorithm would be that - to comply with some requirements in regard to transparency for the product to be used

miohtama 1y ago

Already in the EU Spain, Poland and Hungary are illegally using Pegasus spyware to spy their own opposition politicians. Why they should settle less with lawful means if they already use illegal means.

amarcheschi 1y ago
That's some secret service or at least non public things though, what is being regulated is "clear day" practices I know it's not the best, but still
- miohtama 1y ago
  And why do you think this regulation would stop abuse if it were made available? Poland has corrupted judges who were onboard with opposition spying. "But the commission cannot do much – CBA [Central Anticorruption Bureau] management and the Constitutional Tribunal, packed with PiS [judges], are obstructing its proceedings. In such an environment, any work based on facts and merit is pretty much impossible.”" https://balkaninsight.com/2025/02/25/pegasus-in-poland-a-flight-for-justice-that-never-took-off/ https://balkaninsight.com/2025/02/25/pegasus-in-poland-a-fli...
  - amarcheschi 1y ago
    Regulation is not to stop abuse of the law, regulation is made to say what can be done lawfully
    - miohtama 1y ago
      But, in this case, we are not talking only about regulation, but having a law-mandated backdoor in the every device on the planet. Stopping abuse is not to have that backdoor.