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Remember: "the EU is founded on core values including respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law, and respect for human rights."

Remember: "the EU is founded on core values including respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law, and respect for human rights." No doubt we'll keep on giving lessons about these to non-EU countries anyway.

amarcheschi 1y ago
The European court of justice could still deem such practice to be unlawful
- nickslaughter02 1y ago
  I am positive they will start attacking it on this front too. Changing the rules is just a vote away.
- hcfman 1y ago
  So long as you were quick enough to file within three months of exhausting all your local options. Too late? Oh, too bad.
  - amarcheschi 1y ago
    Well, I'm not saying that I want to see if it eventually gets there, I can only hope that it is not necessary to get there
libertine 1y ago
Out of curiosity, despite its flaws and setbacks, what countries or organizations are in a better position to lecture others on those matters? Russia? China? Iran?
- seydor 1y ago
  The US. The EU is a bureaucratic institution, not a democratic one, and arguably doesn't have more legitimacy than its current bureaucrats at any time. At this time there are 0 people worth talking about in the Commission or the council. Despite the flaws of its president, the US has democratic checks and balances
  - dinfinity 1y ago
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  - ChocolateGod 1y ago
    > The US. The EU is a bureaucratic institution, not a democratic one, The US has a democratic system where the President is ultimately voted for by an unelected electoral college who can refuse to vote for the candidate their state voted for and has ended up with the candidate with most votes loosing. Then said president can change the countries top court on obviously political lines and re-interpret existing laws and the constitution. > At this time there are 0 people worth talking about in the Commission or the council The European Commission has no need to play popularity contests, it's accountable to the heads of governments, not randoms on social media.
    - seydor 1y ago
      > it's accountable to the heads of governments The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries. There has been 0 cases where the head of the commision was held accountable for something. Actually the current head has been found guilty by the EU court for hiding text messages. Who is going to hold her accountable and how ? I m all for the EU but defending its despicable leadership with arguments that reverse reality is not doing any favors to anyone
      - ChocolateGod 1y ago
        > The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries Please link an example of the European Commission cancelling a government or election.
        nickslaughter02 1y ago
        "Thierry Breton, the European Union’s former internal market commissioner, admitted in a French TV interview at the end of last week that the Romanian Constitutional Court (CCR) bowed to EU pressure. It annulled the country’s presidential elections last month, following the first-round victory of the Eurosceptic and anti-NATO, right-wing populist candidate, Călin Georgescu." https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/former-censorship-tsar-admits-eu-role-in-annulling-romanian-election/ https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/former-censor...
- Zealotux 1y ago
  None? I just think the EU should stop acting holier-than-thou when it has been actively attacking individual freedoms and privacy for years now.
  - libertine 1y ago
    But how are they acting holier-than-thou?
    - shitlibertine 1y ago
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- sdoering 1y ago
  Any institution that does not kill thousands every year: Annual Deaths (Recent Years): - Mediterranean Sea 2,000–3,000+ (60% drownings) - Pushbacks/Frontex Several hundred (2,000 deaths linked to Frontex actions) - Land Borders/Camps Dozens to hundreds (Winter peaks, underreported) There are by far too few NGOs or journalists looking into the despicable practices of the EU - but we Europeans definitely should not sit oh the high horse and preach about human rights to anyone. It is a disgrace what we as a European people let our elected officials get away with.
  - snehk 1y ago
    Australia hat a similar situation. They cut that number down to basically zero when they publicly announced that no one entering Australia that way would ever be able to settle in Australia in any way.
- Gud 1y ago
  Switzerland.
- hulitu 1y ago
  > Out of curiosity, despite its flaws and setbacks, what countries or organizations are in a better position to lecture others on those matters? One should try living in more than one country. After some time, one might realize, that the adjective "better" has no place in one's sentence.
  - libertine 1y ago
    I find it odd that one needs to live in more than one country to be able to make a judgment on the use of the adjective better. But I'll take the bait, let's say someone who lived in Syria during the Assad rule and then changed to the US, will that person come to that realization?
fuzzfactor 1y ago
>founded on core values including respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law, and respect for human rights For that reason it would be more embarrassing than anticipated if the authors were disclosed . . .

amarcheschi 1y ago

The European court of justice could still deem such practice to be unlawful

nickslaughter02 1y ago
I am positive they will start attacking it on this front too. Changing the rules is just a vote away.
hcfman 1y ago
So long as you were quick enough to file within three months of exhausting all your local options. Too late? Oh, too bad.
- amarcheschi 1y ago
  Well, I'm not saying that I want to see if it eventually gets there, I can only hope that it is not necessary to get there

libertine 1y ago

Out of curiosity, despite its flaws and setbacks, what countries or organizations are in a better position to lecture others on those matters? Russia? China? Iran?

seydor 1y ago
The US. The EU is a bureaucratic institution, not a democratic one, and arguably doesn't have more legitimacy than its current bureaucrats at any time. At this time there are 0 people worth talking about in the Commission or the council. Despite the flaws of its president, the US has democratic checks and balances
- dinfinity 1y ago
  [flagged]
- ChocolateGod 1y ago
  > The US. The EU is a bureaucratic institution, not a democratic one, The US has a democratic system where the President is ultimately voted for by an unelected electoral college who can refuse to vote for the candidate their state voted for and has ended up with the candidate with most votes loosing. Then said president can change the countries top court on obviously political lines and re-interpret existing laws and the constitution. > At this time there are 0 people worth talking about in the Commission or the council The European Commission has no need to play popularity contests, it's accountable to the heads of governments, not randoms on social media.
  - seydor 1y ago
    > it's accountable to the heads of governments The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries. There has been 0 cases where the head of the commision was held accountable for something. Actually the current head has been found guilty by the EU court for hiding text messages. Who is going to hold her accountable and how ? I m all for the EU but defending its despicable leadership with arguments that reverse reality is not doing any favors to anyone
    - ChocolateGod 1y ago
      > The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries Please link an example of the European Commission cancelling a government or election.
      - nickslaughter02 1y ago
        "Thierry Breton, the European Union’s former internal market commissioner, admitted in a French TV interview at the end of last week that the Romanian Constitutional Court (CCR) bowed to EU pressure. It annulled the country’s presidential elections last month, following the first-round victory of the Eurosceptic and anti-NATO, right-wing populist candidate, Călin Georgescu." https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/former-censorship-tsar-admits-eu-role-in-annulling-romanian-election/ https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/former-censor...
Zealotux 1y ago
None? I just think the EU should stop acting holier-than-thou when it has been actively attacking individual freedoms and privacy for years now.
- libertine 1y ago
  But how are they acting holier-than-thou?
  - shitlibertine 1y ago
    [dead]
sdoering 1y ago
Any institution that does not kill thousands every year: Annual Deaths (Recent Years): - Mediterranean Sea 2,000–3,000+ (60% drownings) - Pushbacks/Frontex Several hundred (2,000 deaths linked to Frontex actions) - Land Borders/Camps Dozens to hundreds (Winter peaks, underreported) There are by far too few NGOs or journalists looking into the despicable practices of the EU - but we Europeans definitely should not sit oh the high horse and preach about human rights to anyone. It is a disgrace what we as a European people let our elected officials get away with.
- snehk 1y ago
  Australia hat a similar situation. They cut that number down to basically zero when they publicly announced that no one entering Australia that way would ever be able to settle in Australia in any way.
Gud 1y ago
Switzerland.
hulitu 1y ago
> Out of curiosity, despite its flaws and setbacks, what countries or organizations are in a better position to lecture others on those matters? One should try living in more than one country. After some time, one might realize, that the adjective "better" has no place in one's sentence.
- libertine 1y ago
  I find it odd that one needs to live in more than one country to be able to make a judgment on the use of the adjective better. But I'll take the bait, let's say someone who lived in Syria during the Assad rule and then changed to the US, will that person come to that realization?

fuzzfactor 1y ago

>founded on core values including respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law, and respect for human rights For that reason it would be more embarrassing than anticipated if the authors were disclosed . . .