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Is there any part of the world that isn't pushing orwellian stuff?
by Havoc 1y ago
Is there any part of the world that isn't pushing orwellian stuff?
- falcor84 1y agoYou reminded me of "Consciousness Explained" [0], where Dennett makes a metaphorical distinction between the Orwellian and Stalinesque approaches, such that in the former, "wrong things" are allowed to happen and are then reconciled by changing history, while in the latter, everything is enforced and handled on the spot, before wrong information ever reaches the news [1]. I am concerned that we're headed into both dystopias at the same time, with some countries going further into the Stalinesque approach. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_Explained https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_Explained [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_drafts_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_drafts_model
- 1oooqooq 1y agothat's the right question to be asked. extreme capital concentration breeds this, and we had it happen everywhere.
- dgb23 1y agoMore generally it's concentration of power. It's far more difficult to do these kinds of things when people have the direct vote.
- 1oooqooq 1y agoyet the country ahead on this is the bastion of democracy (without having direct vote, but still)
- spacebanana7 1y agoThe governments of North Korea, China, the EU and Australia are all trying to get as much surveillance as they can get away with, despite having radically different economic systems. I suspect there’s a universal desire for governments to want to spy on the people they govern.
- Etheryte 1y agoAll listed parties have very strong capital concentration in the top small percentile, despite different economic systems and political backgrounds.
- Jensson 1y agoYou mean power concentration? These things aren't pushed by rich people, it is pushed by powerful people. It often overlaps but not necessarily, a lot of powerful people are not that rich, for example politicians in Europe often aren't wealthy but they have a lot of power still.
- 1oooqooq 1y agothey are all catching up with the US, where capital accumulation was faster. government is just a higher level cop, protecting property.
- account42 1y agoThe only one of these that has a radically different economic system is NK.
- nickslaughter02 1y agoPeople in less developed countries are already more free. Some of their governments would like to or do push for laws like this but the infrastructure or power to force international companies to implement it is not there.
- BLKNSLVR 1y agoYes, it's interesting that whilst they're not happy with Trump's version of authoritarianism, rather than moving in the opposite direction, they've just decided to switch to a parallel track.
- bigyabai 1y agoNot if they're importing American tech stuff: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...