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Are you surprised with the extreme right being on the rise! No worries, they will loose their power like Geert of Netherlands does nowadays...

nickslaughter02 1y ago
Is Ursula von der Leyen "extreme right"? Because it was her (and her commission) who established the group responsible and it was the commission's decision to not disclose its members.
- holoduke 1y ago
  Ursula von der Leyen is the example of where things are wrong in the EU. She is powerhungry. Has a history of things close to corruption. And she creates a very toxic environment to work in. Anxiety amongst personnel around her is very common. The balance between serving the people and serving the interest of corporations is very off.
  - nickslaughter02 1y ago
    She has managed to create an environment where people (me at least) do not want to live and which corporations are eager to leave.
- gizmo 1y ago
  Her personal politics are not extremist in the conventional sense. She is a center-right technocrat at heart. She believes people like her have to protect Europe against the idiot masses. When she dismantles European civil rights she does so for the "greater good". People can't be trusted to vote in their own best interest, or so the logic goes. She thinks she and people like her protect Europe against the rising populist right. I think she's badly mistaken and that the populist right is fueled by EU arrogance, and the GP probably shares that view.
  - anal_reactor 1y ago
    > People can't be trusted to vote in their own best interest, or so the logic goes. Is this wrong.
- postepowanieadm 1y ago
  Ursula "I won't show my emails from Pfizer" von der Leyen wold never do such thing.
pjc50 1y ago
Yeah, I don't think enough of the centrists consider the question of how intrusive state powers might be used by a far-right government. Despite having several demonstrations at the moment.
- collyw 1y ago
  The far left seem to be a far greater danger at present. They are the ones pushing for all the authoritarianism.
  - f_devd 1y ago
    I know a few examples of upcoming far right, who are the upcoming far left?
    - collyw 1y ago
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      - archagon 1y ago
        You mean the “far left” Labour politicians trying their best to cosplay Tories? Meanwhile, Reform — a populist far-right party — is clobbering everyone in the polls.
        mytailorisrich 1y ago
        If Reform is far right then Corbyn's Labour was definitely far left. Certainly it is completely incorrect to label Farage "far right", he is nothing of the sort. Overall the most accurate description for Reform is probably right-wing populism. You can't simply put a label "far right" on anything and everything on the right while, at the same time, claiming that everything on the left is only "mild social democracy" when similar left-wing populism exists if not, indeed, far left.
        1y ago
zaruvi 1y ago
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tgv 1y ago
I don't see the connection. It's true, as others say, that extremist's use of surveillance tool poses the greatest danger, but the desire to monitor the population is present across the political spectrum. Since you mention Wilders: the centrist, and most liberal Dutch party D'66 actually supported a surveillance "drag net" for the Dutch intelligence services.
pveierland 1y ago
As a data point, the largest political parties in Norway (Arbeiderpartiet / Høyre), are now both seeking to introduce age limits backed by national BankID login systems to access social media, which would be a massive invasion in the right to privacy online. The same parties voted in 2011 to introduce mass data storage, where all international internet traffic can be stored and kept for 6 months by the state. I see no reason to believe that either party would protect the right to private communication or internet use.
- hhjinks 1y ago
  > international internet traffic Which means all internet traffic that crosses the border at any point. So it practically includes all domestic traffic, too.
dgb23 1y ago
I don't think the extreme right is pushing this. They are typically anti-EU. I speculate that this is a result of centrist/neoliberal establishment wanting to solidify control. The extreme right is typically using failures like this as a political attack vector.

nickslaughter02 1y ago

Is Ursula von der Leyen "extreme right"? Because it was her (and her commission) who established the group responsible and it was the commission's decision to not disclose its members.

holoduke 1y ago
Ursula von der Leyen is the example of where things are wrong in the EU. She is powerhungry. Has a history of things close to corruption. And she creates a very toxic environment to work in. Anxiety amongst personnel around her is very common. The balance between serving the people and serving the interest of corporations is very off.
- nickslaughter02 1y ago
  She has managed to create an environment where people (me at least) do not want to live and which corporations are eager to leave.
gizmo 1y ago
Her personal politics are not extremist in the conventional sense. She is a center-right technocrat at heart. She believes people like her have to protect Europe against the idiot masses. When she dismantles European civil rights she does so for the "greater good". People can't be trusted to vote in their own best interest, or so the logic goes. She thinks she and people like her protect Europe against the rising populist right. I think she's badly mistaken and that the populist right is fueled by EU arrogance, and the GP probably shares that view.
- anal_reactor 1y ago
  > People can't be trusted to vote in their own best interest, or so the logic goes. Is this wrong.
postepowanieadm 1y ago
Ursula "I won't show my emails from Pfizer" von der Leyen wold never do such thing.

pjc50 1y ago

Yeah, I don't think enough of the centrists consider the question of how intrusive state powers might be used by a far-right government. Despite having several demonstrations at the moment.

collyw 1y ago
The far left seem to be a far greater danger at present. They are the ones pushing for all the authoritarianism.
- f_devd 1y ago
  I know a few examples of upcoming far right, who are the upcoming far left?
  - collyw 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - archagon 1y ago
      You mean the “far left” Labour politicians trying their best to cosplay Tories? Meanwhile, Reform — a populist far-right party — is clobbering everyone in the polls.
      - mytailorisrich 1y ago
        If Reform is far right then Corbyn's Labour was definitely far left. Certainly it is completely incorrect to label Farage "far right", he is nothing of the sort. Overall the most accurate description for Reform is probably right-wing populism. You can't simply put a label "far right" on anything and everything on the right while, at the same time, claiming that everything on the left is only "mild social democracy" when similar left-wing populism exists if not, indeed, far left.
        1y ago

zaruvi 1y ago

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tgv 1y ago

I don't see the connection. It's true, as others say, that extremist's use of surveillance tool poses the greatest danger, but the desire to monitor the population is present across the political spectrum. Since you mention Wilders: the centrist, and most liberal Dutch party D'66 actually supported a surveillance "drag net" for the Dutch intelligence services.

pveierland 1y ago

As a data point, the largest political parties in Norway (Arbeiderpartiet / Høyre), are now both seeking to introduce age limits backed by national BankID login systems to access social media, which would be a massive invasion in the right to privacy online. The same parties voted in 2011 to introduce mass data storage, where all international internet traffic can be stored and kept for 6 months by the state. I see no reason to believe that either party would protect the right to private communication or internet use.

hhjinks 1y ago
> international internet traffic Which means all internet traffic that crosses the border at any point. So it practically includes all domestic traffic, too.

dgb23 1y ago

I don't think the extreme right is pushing this. They are typically anti-EU. I speculate that this is a result of centrist/neoliberal establishment wanting to solidify control. The extreme right is typically using failures like this as a political attack vector.