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The one that was killed was only done so away from Malheur, when the men with badges suddenly became brave again when they had one man and his family out in a b

by ty6853 1y ago

The one that was killed was only done so away from Malheur, when the men with badges suddenly became brave again when they had one man and his family out in a bumfuck rural road.

mulmen 1y ago
The men with badges didn't "suddenly become brave". This was a planned operation to capture the leaders of the Malheur standoff. I can find no evidence or even claim that the passengers in LaVoy Finicum's truck were his family. He was transporting Ryan Bundy along with Shawna Cox, Victoria Sharp, and Ryan Payne. Ammon Bundy was in a trailing Jeep. Ammon surrendered in the initial stop but Finicum fled. After crashing his truck avoiding a roadblock during the high speed pursuit Finicum got out and attempted to draw on officers. He was literally yelling "shoot me" as they shot him. There's video from the air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWX3Tz1tQI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWX3Tz1tQI And inside his truck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEswP_HSFV4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEswP_HSFV4 Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge#January_26_arrests_and_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_Nati...
- ty6853 1y ago
  It appears you are correct about the other members of the truck (though I'm unsure to what extent they were leaders). I had seen the video before but thought them in his family as he raised lots of foster children who may look quite unlike him. The rest still stands, and the following interesting facts >An Oregon State Police SWAT member, identified in the trial of FBI agent Astarita as "Officer 1", fired three shots with an AR-15, into Finicum's truck as it approached the roadblock.[144] >While Finicum was leaving his truck, an FBI Hostage Rescue Team member allegedly fired two shots[146] one of which entered the truck and ricocheted, inflicting the minor shrapnel wound on Ryan Bundy.[32] ... and then apparently after all this, then he 'attempted' (lol) to draw after police shot at him multiple times (which would be wholly inappropriate after someone tried to kill him with an ar-15), except I can't find evidence he actually did draw. In the aftermath, the police had to lie about the event: > They later determined that an FBI Hostage Rescue Team member fired twice at Finicum, missed him but injured a second militant in the process. The agent, whose identity was withheld, was under investigation, along with four other FBI agents who were suspected of attempting to conceal evidence of the gunshots. They reportedly told investigators that none of them fired a shot during the incident.[40][41] So they initiated fire, seemingly had a guilty enough conscious about initiating fire that they lied about it, isolated one old man who didn't draw and executed him. Clap, clap, brave men! > He was literally yelling "shoot me" as they shot him. ... he was yelling shoot me, I am going to see the sheriff -- after actually being shot at. I realize your theory is that anyone who puts their hand near their pocket who is pocket carrying on a cold day is 'attempting' to draw, of course no matter if you actually tried that defense as anyone but the enforcer class you would lose horribly and have years in jail to think about it. You have a murderous interpretation of self defense here.
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by ty6853 1y ago

The one that was killed was only done so away from Malheur, when the men with badges suddenly became brave again when they had one man and his family out in a bumfuck rural road.

mulmen 1y ago

The men with badges didn't "suddenly become brave". This was a planned operation to capture the leaders of the Malheur standoff. I can find no evidence or even claim that the passengers in LaVoy Finicum's truck were his family. He was transporting Ryan Bundy along with Shawna Cox, Victoria Sharp, and Ryan Payne. Ammon Bundy was in a trailing Jeep. Ammon surrendered in the initial stop but Finicum fled. After crashing his truck avoiding a roadblock during the high speed pursuit Finicum got out and attempted to draw on officers. He was literally yelling "shoot me" as they shot him. There's video from the air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWX3Tz1tQI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWX3Tz1tQI And inside his truck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEswP_HSFV4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEswP_HSFV4 Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge#January_26_arrests_and_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_Nati...

ty6853 1y ago
It appears you are correct about the other members of the truck (though I'm unsure to what extent they were leaders). I had seen the video before but thought them in his family as he raised lots of foster children who may look quite unlike him. The rest still stands, and the following interesting facts >An Oregon State Police SWAT member, identified in the trial of FBI agent Astarita as "Officer 1", fired three shots with an AR-15, into Finicum's truck as it approached the roadblock.[144] >While Finicum was leaving his truck, an FBI Hostage Rescue Team member allegedly fired two shots[146] one of which entered the truck and ricocheted, inflicting the minor shrapnel wound on Ryan Bundy.[32] ... and then apparently after all this, then he 'attempted' (lol) to draw after police shot at him multiple times (which would be wholly inappropriate after someone tried to kill him with an ar-15), except I can't find evidence he actually did draw. In the aftermath, the police had to lie about the event: > They later determined that an FBI Hostage Rescue Team member fired twice at Finicum, missed him but injured a second militant in the process. The agent, whose identity was withheld, was under investigation, along with four other FBI agents who were suspected of attempting to conceal evidence of the gunshots. They reportedly told investigators that none of them fired a shot during the incident.[40][41] So they initiated fire, seemingly had a guilty enough conscious about initiating fire that they lied about it, isolated one old man who didn't draw and executed him. Clap, clap, brave men! > He was literally yelling "shoot me" as they shot him. ... he was yelling shoot me, I am going to see the sheriff -- after actually being shot at. I realize your theory is that anyone who puts their hand near their pocket who is pocket carrying on a cold day is 'attempting' to draw, of course no matter if you actually tried that defense as anyone but the enforcer class you would lose horribly and have years in jail to think about it. You have a murderous interpretation of self defense here.
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