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Scale matters. Reducing an example down to a single artist reproducing a single style of a single other artist isn't theft, it's a fundamentally different thing
by energywut 1y ago
Scale matters. Reducing an example down to a single artist reproducing a single style of a single other artist isn't theft, it's a fundamentally different thing. Kawano is not making a tool that can predict and reproduce all art produced by all artists with a reasonably high degree of success.
If I use a single sample from a single record (say, drawing from the Amen Break) to build a small number of songs, that's fundamentally different from being able to wholesale lift the musical stylings of every artist across time.
Remix culture is important, and copying small elements out by hand with intention is an important part of remix culture. But the scale matters. The industrialization matters.
A kid taping the radio is different from Spotify selling every piece of music for a subscription and sending (almost) nothing on to the artists. Sure, both cut the artist out, but the scale matters.
- Pet_Ant 1y ago> Scale matters. On what grounds? Very rarely does the law see things that way [1]. Where is the tipping point. What if it did Mondrian _and_ Rothko? Still good? Okay, now add Damien Hirst. Also add Jackson Pollock. Then Roy Lichtenstein. What is your grounds for delineation? If it's just a feeling, then the problem isn't the law, it's you. Monet could just be a Photoshop filter, Pointillism is. Warhol? [1] Newton v. Diamond is an example I can think of https://www.quimbee.com/cases/newton-v-diamond https://www.quimbee.com/cases/newton-v-diamond
- energywut 1y agoWe differentiate based on scale all the time. If I steal a pack of gum I expect a very different legal outcome than if I steal the entire contents of a best buy. In violent crime scale matters -- manslaughter is very different from mass murder. In financial crimes ripping off my friend by not paying back a dinner is very different from embezzling millions from my company. Possessing a dime bag of marijuana is a very different crime from possessing 100 kilos of marijuana. And in many cases, scale reaches a level of either not being enforced as a crime or not being a crime at all. Federal sentencing guidelines specifically call out scale several times: https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/about/overview/Overview_Federal_Sentencing_Guidelines.pdf https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/about/overview/...
- Pet_Ant 1y agoThat is scaling not differentiating. It doesn’t change in category just severity.
- UncleMeat 1y agoAlthough we cannot say when something becomes a heap we can nevertheless say that heaps exist. When discussing the social and ethical implications of a technology there really is a difference based on scale.