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Secure from whom? I can envision a future where the real IoT security risk is insider threat. Buried in your smart lightbulb EULA there could be consent to be u

Secure from whom? I can envision a future where the real IoT security risk is insider threat. Buried in your smart lightbulb EULA there could be consent to be used as a residential proxy.

mystraline 1y ago
> Secure from whom? From the person who thought the sale was ownership. More often, "sale" is 'trade green paper for a license of this physical good, that they retain to do whatever with later at their leisure'. Look at the scam Nintendo is doing with the Switch 2: Games no longer have any data other than a serial number to download a game. Hi tendon claims they can remotely destroy consoles they deem 'modified'. Not 'removed from online play', actually full digital destruction of device. I support ownership, not this 'we may revoke at any time' licensure.
- rbanffy 1y ago
  > Hi tendon claims they can remotely destroy consoles they deem 'modified'. Not 'removed from online play', actually full digital destruction of device. This is illegal in many jurisdictions.
  - mystraline 1y ago
    I would believe you, but we've seen PlayStation 3 OtherOS play out. In that case, Sony sold it with 'install Linux' as a feature. Later on, they poison-pilled an update and killed that. There was a lawsuit, in which class action plaintiffs got between 9$, or $55 if you said you used OtherOS. But if this was any of us, hacking Sony, we would be rotting in prison. But Sony can hack millions of peoples supposed property, and "here's your latte money, too bad, so sad!" This should have been a criminal trial, in which the executives would go to prison, firmware should be rolled out to reenable it, and make people actually whole. So yeah, I fully expect Nintendo to remotely destroy hardware, and get away with it. The concept of "you don't own, but you license" is the toxic shit that allows this, alongside DMCA 1201.
    - rbanffy 1y ago
      > This should have been a criminal trial The laws should support such a charge, but they don't. At least not everywhere.
rbanffy 1y ago
It doesn't need to be mentioned in the EULA.

Secure from whom? I can envision a future where the real IoT security risk is insider threat. Buried in your smart lightbulb EULA there could be consent to be used as a residential proxy.

mystraline 1y ago

> Secure from whom? From the person who thought the sale was ownership. More often, "sale" is 'trade green paper for a license of this physical good, that they retain to do whatever with later at their leisure'. Look at the scam Nintendo is doing with the Switch 2: Games no longer have any data other than a serial number to download a game. Hi tendon claims they can remotely destroy consoles they deem 'modified'. Not 'removed from online play', actually full digital destruction of device. I support ownership, not this 'we may revoke at any time' licensure.

rbanffy 1y ago
> Hi tendon claims they can remotely destroy consoles they deem 'modified'. Not 'removed from online play', actually full digital destruction of device. This is illegal in many jurisdictions.
- mystraline 1y ago
  I would believe you, but we've seen PlayStation 3 OtherOS play out. In that case, Sony sold it with 'install Linux' as a feature. Later on, they poison-pilled an update and killed that. There was a lawsuit, in which class action plaintiffs got between 9$, or $55 if you said you used OtherOS. But if this was any of us, hacking Sony, we would be rotting in prison. But Sony can hack millions of peoples supposed property, and "here's your latte money, too bad, so sad!" This should have been a criminal trial, in which the executives would go to prison, firmware should be rolled out to reenable it, and make people actually whole. So yeah, I fully expect Nintendo to remotely destroy hardware, and get away with it. The concept of "you don't own, but you license" is the toxic shit that allows this, alongside DMCA 1201.
  - rbanffy 1y ago
    > This should have been a criminal trial The laws should support such a charge, but they don't. At least not everywhere.

rbanffy 1y ago

It doesn't need to be mentioned in the EULA.