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for the life of me i cannot understand what would possess an average person to travel across the world to have their ego forcibly broken in a capitalistic hyper
by Aeglaecia 1y ago
for the life of me i cannot understand what would possess an average person to travel across the world to have their ego forcibly broken in a capitalistic hyperreal facsimile of a shamanic experience over an agonizingly protracted period of time (ibogaine and maoi-enhanced dmt can last 12-24 hours) ... why does nobody talk about the permanent consequences that can arise from this? why are people not encouraged to dip their toes in before diving headfirst?
- Synaesthesia 1y agoIbogaine is apparently great for dealing with heroin addiction.
- Aeglaecia 1y ago[flagged]
- andrei_says_ 1y agoIf you are open to questioning the “junkies” and their “choice to be so” stereotype, you may find this TED talk useful. https://youtu.be/PY9DcIMGxMs?si=9qNCkYrV2CY3_n7o https://youtu.be/PY9DcIMGxMs?si=9qNCkYrV2CY3_n7o Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong | Johann Hari
- electroglyph 1y agothanks for sharing that
- Aeglaecia 1y agothanks for sharing this for people who arent already aware , it would be great for the unaware to search gabor mate's work into addiction too , im not interested in discussing junkies and addiction im interested in discussing the promulgation of drugs to a society that doesn't benefit from it on average
- balamatom 1y agoIf society didn't benefit from it in some way, would it really be allowed to happen? Because sure, it may end up fucking up a bunch of people for whose problem it was the wrong solution. And commercializing it will probably diminish its value in some way. But society is a consummate egoist.
- hombre_fatal 1y agoHow do you know the average person has nothing to benefit from a hallucinogen? It’s basically an old meme that society would be better off if everyone tried it. We get it, you don’t like drugs nor the people who take them.
- Aeglaecia 1y agoit's no good to live your life so instantaneously judgementally , you'll be held back from conversations that you could learn lots from
- nagaiaida 1y agoif drug use is an irredeemable personal moral failure as you cast it, surely you would be similarly unconcerned about anyone who partook once it become normalized; why worry when they'll either count as a junkie to you soon enough by developing noticeable follow-on issues, or they won't, primarily by dint of not having such issues?
- Aeglaecia 1y agoI reply out of obligation to aid your future argumentation , noting that this was the first moral judgement passing my lips
- nagaiaida 1y agoa model of the world in which reducing the totality of a person to "junkie" is morally neutral does not seem particularly useful to me in a real-world context, and i would urge you to reconsider ascribing to such.
- Aeglaecia 1y agoim not going to stop you from discussing the sturdy nature of digging tools that have thick handles and heavy flat blades , personally im gonna call it a spade and move on , all the best
- RockRobotRock 1y agoAverage person? What makes you think an average person would take this drug rather than someone who is desperate and feels like they're out of options?
- Aeglaecia 1y agoas per my comment i am referring to commoditized shamanism in general which is popular enough that the phrase 'ayahuasca retreat' exists in the modern lexicon
- GuB-42 1y agoPeople absolutely talk about the permanent consequences that can arise from this. But the problem with drug talk is that it is often no middle ground. On the one hand, authorities are going to tell you that any psychoactive substance stronger than coffee will kill you just by looking at it. I understand their position, discouraging people from taking drugs outside of a medical settings is a good idea in general, it includes most kinds of self-medication. But in the process, they generalize and overstate the potential harm, as if every drug was fentanyl. But on the other hand, you have people who minimize the risks, saying how great these are and how evil government is preventing these miracle cures because big pharma profits or whatever. The truth is between the two, there are real risks with drugs like ibogaine, dmt, and even cannabis. And there is a good chance taking these will make your life worse overall. But they also can make your life better, or they can be a fun trip. I put these in the category of "probably not good for you, but life would be boring if you never took risks and only did things that are good for you". The problem is that it is hard to find information from that perspective, you basically have to do you own research, with all that implies.