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I'm sorry butI just have to call BS. First of all, CS degrees are not only attainable by those that learned CS at a young age. OK, whatever. Then we dismiss co

I'm sorry butI just have to call BS. First of all, CS degrees are not only attainable by those that learned CS at a young age. OK, whatever. Then we dismiss compilers, algorithms, etc as useless optimization ... Right, because the only practical things in this world are more useless blog engines written in RoR? Come on. Secondly, we're treated to this business how all these RoR bootcamp grads are making $79K or something, OK great ... If you keep pumping out people that simply reach the bar of "can build a Web app from following tutorials on RoR" at such a rate, how do you think that's going affect this salary? You're going to flood the market with people that don't know very much, to just be honest about it and without sugar coating. Then we get this to "full stack" stuff about how you should want to learn as much as possible .. well except for that nasty CS stuff, yuck! Make sure you only focus Web MV* framework du jour ... Seriously?

kabuks 14y ago
Why, oh why, do you have to pit Dev Bootcamp against a CS degree? Nobody is saying that algorithms and compilers should be dismissed, or that CS degrees should be abolished. That's certainly not our position. Education is a nuanced and rich topic, and shouldn't be reduced to "CS GOOD. DEV BOOTCAMP BAD" or the other way around. We're in a market right now where companies are willing to take on total beginners who show potential, and pay them to continue learning our craft. What the hell is wrong with that? And are you suggesting that we stop teaching new developers in order to protect people's salaries? As far as I can tell, there will be high demand for good engineers for the foreseeable future. And please don't reduce our work to "can build a Web app from following tutorials on RoR". You clearly haven't met any of our graduates. It pisses me off that you dismiss everyone's hard work without knowing anything about us. <general plea> Will everybody please get off their fucking high horse (Yes. I realize I'm on one too). Our industry is young, and we're all just figuring this out together. Nobody has all the answers and few things are black and white. Especially when it comes to the mess that is education and vocational training in this country. </general plea>
- dinkumthinkum 14y ago
  But I didn't pit one against the other, did you read the article?

kabuks 14y ago

Why, oh why, do you have to pit Dev Bootcamp against a CS degree? Nobody is saying that algorithms and compilers should be dismissed, or that CS degrees should be abolished. That's certainly not our position. Education is a nuanced and rich topic, and shouldn't be reduced to "CS GOOD. DEV BOOTCAMP BAD" or the other way around. We're in a market right now where companies are willing to take on total beginners who show potential, and pay them to continue learning our craft. What the hell is wrong with that? And are you suggesting that we stop teaching new developers in order to protect people's salaries? As far as I can tell, there will be high demand for good engineers for the foreseeable future. And please don't reduce our work to "can build a Web app from following tutorials on RoR". You clearly haven't met any of our graduates. It pisses me off that you dismiss everyone's hard work without knowing anything about us. <general plea> Will everybody please get off their fucking high horse (Yes. I realize I'm on one too). Our industry is young, and we're all just figuring this out together. Nobody has all the answers and few things are black and white. Especially when it comes to the mess that is education and vocational training in this country. </general plea>

dinkumthinkum 14y ago
But I didn't pit one against the other, did you read the article?