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Here is an ultralight carbon fiber backpacking version: https://youtu.be/-GEwwMbqU2o https://youtu.be/-GEwwMbqU2o

by ortusdux 1y ago

xnx 1y ago
Clear example of why people like TikTok. There's no reason that video should be 10 minutes.
- woleium 1y ago
  There is a “ten minute rule” for youtube video to maximize reach / clout / whatever the kids are looking for.
  - spencerflem 1y ago
    Its ad revenue, I think. Yt pays out more for that length since it has midroll ads.
- jader201 1y ago
  I just watched the whole thing, and I didn’t mind. I feel like people have just gotten so used to 10-second videos, and anything longer now feels like an eternity. I really hope people don’t stop making longer form videos in favor of TikTok-sized videos.
  - neilv 1y ago
    But, clicking around randomly, it seems that this video has been dragged out in length for no reason other than to be longer, presumably for YouTube financial (perverse) incentives.
    - jader201 1y ago
      For sure, I’m not advocating intentionally lengthening videos for financial incentives, either. I guess I didn’t immediately get that impression when I watched it, but I wasn’t watching it with that in mind. My point is I don’t mind filler in videos, if it’s true to what’s naturally happening. But intentionally adding filler is, indeed, poor form.
  - gherkinnn 1y ago
    I don't watch any reels/shorts/etc and find this style of bloated YT video unbearable. I am all for long form videos, but have the decency to go beyond an empty vessel for ads.
- seszett 1y ago
  Not sure about TikTok, but in this video and YouTube in general, you can just directly go to where most people go, and this way (I'm always a bit amazed that this actually works) you can generally see the actually important points of the video.
  - MangoToupe 1y ago
    TikTok caps video length. Indeed, the #1 issue with youtube is the videos are way too long. (Also the ads, and comments, recommendations, search, etc,) but video length is certainly why I haven't bothered to watch anything on youtube for a long time (edit: logged in. I still watch clips people send me ofc in the group chat ofc). I'd delete my account if it weren't tied to my email for some inexplicable reason.
  - odysseus 1y ago
    How do you "directly go to where most people go"? Assuming you don't have timestamps in the comments or video description.
    - itishappy 1y ago
      The wave when you hover over the progress bar is a graph of popularity. https://i.imgur.com/XO6cUo5.png https://i.imgur.com/XO6cUo5.png Edit: Wait... Does everybody see this? It's not on all videos, but it's on most for me, but my girlfriend says she never noticed it. I can't find any articles claiming it was ever fully rolled out, so maybe it's a premium feature? Here's the vid if anybody wants to check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq_lJM1cKNQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq_lJM1cKNQ
      - odysseus 1y ago
        I don’t see it on mobile unless I turn off my ad blocking extension. Thank you! Never knew that was there. Great video btw, two musicians with great communication and flow
- GuB-42 1y ago
  I agree, but would be even worse as a TikTok video. Shorts are absolutely terrible as product reviews. The point of a product review is to explore different aspects and use cases, otherwise it is an ad. It doesn't mean that long videos can't be ads, but short videos can't be anything but ads (if positive). Shorts have a place, TikTok is great for silly dance moves, magic tricks, or people working really fast. You can even have short form educative content, though it usually doesn't go further than random trivia. But product reviews just don't work, unless they are ads. And in fact, ads don't even work that well as people tend to forget about them quickly.
quantadev 1y ago
That carbon fiber seat is cool. Could be made to integrate right into the back of a backpack (like the rigid frame), to help the backpack stay rigid during use, so it's kind of dual purpose.
pimlottc 1y ago
For those curious, the price is US$350
jader201 1y ago
Direct link to the chair: https://rovagear.com/products/rova-chair https://rovagear.com/products/rova-chair (Not an endorsement. Just if you’re curious.)
- user_of_the_wek 1y ago
  I find it weird that low weight is one of the main selling points of this product, but they don't say how much it is.
  - unwind 1y ago
    Yes, weird. I also liked this part: Embers from a fire won’t burn the surface (If removed quickly). I think that is true for many surface materials, and that "quickly" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. It also completely fails to communicate whether or not a carbon fiber chair is "safe enough" around an open fire. Annoying.
    - scotty79 1y ago
      It's not made out of thermoplastic so probably you don't need to remove them that "quickly". Just not let them sit on there.
  - pnut 1y ago
    After digging around, the FAQ says "approximately 2 lb"
    - gibibit 1y ago
      Obviously they don't put the weight on the product main page, that is absolutely heavy. The Helinox Chair Zero is the standard by which all backpacking chairs are compared https://helinox.com/products/chair-zero https://helinox.com/products/chair-zero - and it is 1 lb 1 oz. And then some people mod these chairs, like this similar one that was reduced to 13 oz. https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/chair-enlightening-13-oz-full-chair/ https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/chair-enlightening...
beAbU 1y ago
The ultralight community never ceases to amaze me. I always thought it was all about travel as light as possible But I think it's more about travel with as many things as possible - the lightness of the objects is just an emergent requirement in order to not break your back. I've done my fair share of hiking, longest being a 90km 5-day hike in the Namibian desert, with no facilities save for a river. Weight was a big factor, because you needed to pack food for at least 8 days to be safe and there is nowhere to get food once you start the hike. What equipment you pack and the weight of said equipment weight had to be kept at a minimum. Having said that... A chair or other seating arrangement was by a large margin the lowest priority item on my list. There is one giant chair under our feet the whole time: the ground. And if that is not suitable, finding a stump or a rock or whatever to sit on is really not that hard and it's infinitely more environmentally friendly.
- cinntaile 1y ago
  No sane hiker brings a chair along on a 4+ hiking trip.
  - CrimsonCape 1y ago
    Glass half empty: No sane hiker brings a chair along on a 4+ hiking trip. Glass half full: If I cut 14 oz of weight out of this pack by removing zipper pulls, straps, cords, carrying cases, and switch everything to 10x cost titanium, the chair is practically free.
- aaron695 1y ago
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- bradly 1y ago
  > The ultralight community never ceases to amaze me. The ultralight community doesn't typically touch this stuff. This is sold to traditional backpackers that are drawn to the allure of ultralight.

Here is an ultralight carbon fiber backpacking version: https://youtu.be/-GEwwMbqU2o https://youtu.be/-GEwwMbqU2o

xnx 1y ago

Clear example of why people like TikTok. There's no reason that video should be 10 minutes.

woleium 1y ago
There is a “ten minute rule” for youtube video to maximize reach / clout / whatever the kids are looking for.
- spencerflem 1y ago
  Its ad revenue, I think. Yt pays out more for that length since it has midroll ads.
jader201 1y ago
I just watched the whole thing, and I didn’t mind. I feel like people have just gotten so used to 10-second videos, and anything longer now feels like an eternity. I really hope people don’t stop making longer form videos in favor of TikTok-sized videos.
- neilv 1y ago
  But, clicking around randomly, it seems that this video has been dragged out in length for no reason other than to be longer, presumably for YouTube financial (perverse) incentives.
  - jader201 1y ago
    For sure, I’m not advocating intentionally lengthening videos for financial incentives, either. I guess I didn’t immediately get that impression when I watched it, but I wasn’t watching it with that in mind. My point is I don’t mind filler in videos, if it’s true to what’s naturally happening. But intentionally adding filler is, indeed, poor form.
- gherkinnn 1y ago
  I don't watch any reels/shorts/etc and find this style of bloated YT video unbearable. I am all for long form videos, but have the decency to go beyond an empty vessel for ads.
seszett 1y ago
Not sure about TikTok, but in this video and YouTube in general, you can just directly go to where most people go, and this way (I'm always a bit amazed that this actually works) you can generally see the actually important points of the video.
- MangoToupe 1y ago
  TikTok caps video length. Indeed, the #1 issue with youtube is the videos are way too long. (Also the ads, and comments, recommendations, search, etc,) but video length is certainly why I haven't bothered to watch anything on youtube for a long time (edit: logged in. I still watch clips people send me ofc in the group chat ofc). I'd delete my account if it weren't tied to my email for some inexplicable reason.
- odysseus 1y ago
  How do you "directly go to where most people go"? Assuming you don't have timestamps in the comments or video description.
  - itishappy 1y ago
    The wave when you hover over the progress bar is a graph of popularity. https://i.imgur.com/XO6cUo5.png https://i.imgur.com/XO6cUo5.png Edit: Wait... Does everybody see this? It's not on all videos, but it's on most for me, but my girlfriend says she never noticed it. I can't find any articles claiming it was ever fully rolled out, so maybe it's a premium feature? Here's the vid if anybody wants to check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq_lJM1cKNQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq_lJM1cKNQ
    - odysseus 1y ago
      I don’t see it on mobile unless I turn off my ad blocking extension. Thank you! Never knew that was there. Great video btw, two musicians with great communication and flow
GuB-42 1y ago
I agree, but would be even worse as a TikTok video. Shorts are absolutely terrible as product reviews. The point of a product review is to explore different aspects and use cases, otherwise it is an ad. It doesn't mean that long videos can't be ads, but short videos can't be anything but ads (if positive). Shorts have a place, TikTok is great for silly dance moves, magic tricks, or people working really fast. You can even have short form educative content, though it usually doesn't go further than random trivia. But product reviews just don't work, unless they are ads. And in fact, ads don't even work that well as people tend to forget about them quickly.

quantadev 1y ago

That carbon fiber seat is cool. Could be made to integrate right into the back of a backpack (like the rigid frame), to help the backpack stay rigid during use, so it's kind of dual purpose.

pimlottc 1y ago

For those curious, the price is US$350

jader201 1y ago

Direct link to the chair: https://rovagear.com/products/rova-chair https://rovagear.com/products/rova-chair (Not an endorsement. Just if you’re curious.)

user_of_the_wek 1y ago
I find it weird that low weight is one of the main selling points of this product, but they don't say how much it is.
- unwind 1y ago
  Yes, weird. I also liked this part: Embers from a fire won’t burn the surface (If removed quickly). I think that is true for many surface materials, and that "quickly" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. It also completely fails to communicate whether or not a carbon fiber chair is "safe enough" around an open fire. Annoying.
  - scotty79 1y ago
    It's not made out of thermoplastic so probably you don't need to remove them that "quickly". Just not let them sit on there.
- pnut 1y ago
  After digging around, the FAQ says "approximately 2 lb"
  - gibibit 1y ago
    Obviously they don't put the weight on the product main page, that is absolutely heavy. The Helinox Chair Zero is the standard by which all backpacking chairs are compared https://helinox.com/products/chair-zero https://helinox.com/products/chair-zero - and it is 1 lb 1 oz. And then some people mod these chairs, like this similar one that was reduced to 13 oz. https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/chair-enlightening-13-oz-full-chair/ https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/chair-enlightening...

beAbU 1y ago

The ultralight community never ceases to amaze me. I always thought it was all about travel as light as possible But I think it's more about travel with as many things as possible - the lightness of the objects is just an emergent requirement in order to not break your back. I've done my fair share of hiking, longest being a 90km 5-day hike in the Namibian desert, with no facilities save for a river. Weight was a big factor, because you needed to pack food for at least 8 days to be safe and there is nowhere to get food once you start the hike. What equipment you pack and the weight of said equipment weight had to be kept at a minimum. Having said that... A chair or other seating arrangement was by a large margin the lowest priority item on my list. There is one giant chair under our feet the whole time: the ground. And if that is not suitable, finding a stump or a rock or whatever to sit on is really not that hard and it's infinitely more environmentally friendly.

cinntaile 1y ago
No sane hiker brings a chair along on a 4+ hiking trip.
- CrimsonCape 1y ago
  Glass half empty: No sane hiker brings a chair along on a 4+ hiking trip. Glass half full: If I cut 14 oz of weight out of this pack by removing zipper pulls, straps, cords, carrying cases, and switch everything to 10x cost titanium, the chair is practically free.
aaron695 1y ago
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bradly 1y ago
> The ultralight community never ceases to amaze me. The ultralight community doesn't typically touch this stuff. This is sold to traditional backpackers that are drawn to the allure of ultralight.