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Curios enough, drones definitely produce interference from rotors apart from sensible noise. A modern anti-drone system should not rely on traditional reflectio
by at0mic22 1y ago
Curios enough, drones definitely produce interference from rotors apart from sensible noise.
A modern anti-drone system should not rely on traditional reflection-detecting radars but try detecting electric motors, radio signals from 3g/4g modems etc. And it does not necessarily have to work for many miles.
I would see it as a reasonably sized box loaded with interceptor drones, they don't even have to explode. That's something we will see en masse shortly from the Russian side.
Actually nobody should take Russians as dumb and clumsy. They adapt fast. And they can benchmark fast too, thanks to ukrainians. The only open questions is whether the rest of the world accepts new situation, or will continue spending billions on less effective F35s
- XorNot 1y agoShort range drones powered by lithium ion batteries with a flight time of 20 minutes and a low ground speed are in absolutely no way a replacement for long range supersonic attack aircraft. And an autonomous supersonic attack aircraft would cost..about as much as the F-35 because the F-35 is not principally expensive because of the pilot.
- at0mic22 1y agoVery much depends on the purpose, supersonic aircrafts coming from 60s are a great way to demonstrate power over a long distance along with aircraft sea carriers But they are vulnerable both in the air and on the ground. Recent Iran attacks over Israel and everyday Russian attacks show that shakhed flying vespa-drones can overload any air defense and deliver ammo for real cheap
- CamperBob2 1y agoShort range drones powered by lithium ion batteries with a flight time of 20 minutes and a low ground speed are in absolutely no way a replacement for long range supersonic attack aircraft. They don't have to replace them. They just have to destroy them.
- at0mic22 1y agoYeah, basically not even the aircrafts are to blame, but insanely expensive and limited air defense systems. You shouldn't be launching a patriot missile to take down a drone, that's the point
- tstrimple 1y agoTIL most of the drones used in Ukraine aren’t wireless. They unspool an extremely thin fiber optic filament. There is a video of some soldiers walking through a field and it looks like he’s collecting thick spider webs as he goes.
- GaggiX 1y agoMost drones are wireless, the vast majority in fact, but there are drones that use fiber optic but of course they are much more expensive and they have to carry a large spool of fiber optic, the spool must be on the drone so it wouldn't tangled.
- kaycey2022 1y agoDrones connected to their controller with a bunch of dangling cables sounds completely mental.
- tstrimple 1y agoThe aftermath certainly looks crazy. One of the comments talked about seeing an older video of a drone following a line of cables back to an operator. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1kwsuma/ua_pov_a_group_of_soldiers_walking_through_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1kwsum...
- tstrimple 1y agoYes, I was wrong about it being most. But it is a growing segment.
- at0mic22 1y agoAFAIK fiber drones are specifically short range, couple of miles only. The spool size itself is the limiting factor
- tstrimple 1y agoUp to 30km now. Though I was wrong about it being most, it is a growing number. https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/new_domestic_30_km_fiber_optic_system_for_fpv_drones_to_strengthen_ukraines_armed_forces-14367.html https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/new_domestic_30_km...
- the__alchemist 1y ago> or will continue spending billions on less effective F35s This claim, that FPV UASs equipped with explosives are more effective than F-35s as a blank statement does not sound meaningful.
- comrade1234 1y agoThis attack just showed this. An f-35 could have never pulled off these attacks.
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- dragonwriter 1y agoOTOH, if Ukraine had F-35s, it probably wouldn't need to spend a year and a half preparing a covert operation to take out bombers that were conducting regular attacks on them, either, they'd just intercept them in the air.
- at0mic22 1y agoThink Ukraine had its own airforce at the beginning, and for 30 years nobody stopped it from modernizing or acquiring new aircrafts. Besides that, I doubt the US would have ever sold a single F35 to Ukraine just because of revealing radio-emission and reflection patterns to russian air defense, basically drawing F35 useless for future usage against Russia.
- dragonwriter 1y agoIf your point is that it is easier to get drones than F-35s, that's not in debate. That wasn't really the subject of discussion, though.
- ponector 1y agoGood luck to intercept russians bombers 1000+km deep into their territory.
- jandrewrogers 1y ago> A modern anti-drone system should not rely on traditional reflection-detecting radars but try detecting electric motors, radio signals from 3g/4g modems etc. Standard kit on US military aircraft detect this and 5th gen platforms like the F-35 are designed to attack such systems. One of the biggest misconceptions about the F-35 is that it is a combat aircraft, 1970s style but with better tech. In many regards, it is designed primarily as a state-of-the-art EW and AWACS-like system that can operate as part of a mesh. Yeah, it is still pretty good at the basic combat mission but the whole mesh EW/AWACS bit is its killer feature. In the 20th century, you kill the AWACS/EW platforms, they are gone. A lot of effort went into both killing and protecting them. In the 21st century the AWACS/EW platform is a fluid organism comprising many stealthy cells because it is embedded into many platforms, and is much harder to kill because it isn’t a discrete target.
- at0mic22 1y agoI don't mean those anti-drone systems should target regular aircrafts. Really cool F35 can target them and at the same time it’s highly unlikely F35 would have ever reached those distant airfields.
- jandrewrogers 1y agoFor sure, I think those airfields are a bit beyond the combat radius of an F-35. It is partly why they are where they are.
- at0mic22 1y agoEven in the traditional scenario it’s still unclear how would F35 compete in range with enormous antennas on both specific aircrafts like Е-3 or land-based defense systems. Or is it more about fail safety rather than distance?
- randomcarbloke 1y agothe F35 can track targets at more than double the distance of the E3. It is the the most advanced flying weapons platform ever created, and the most misunderstood.
- tim333 1y ago>less effective F35s If the US had unleashed it's airforce, led by F35s the war probably would have been over in a week with Russia's air defences and invading army taken out.