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Im fine with the other comments here but the insinuation that mental health issues and a desire to live a normal life are "making excuses" (as in making up excu

Im fine with the other comments here but the insinuation that mental health issues and a desire to live a normal life are "making excuses" (as in making up excuses when the real cause is something like laziness) - well let me just say it's not a very polite way to approach the issue and would probably come across as gaslighting to anyone dealing with this. Like i said, others have similar criticism to yours but don't include this dismissive bit.

rayiner 1y ago
Mental health issues aren’t an excuse to cheat. If you can’t do the work, tell the professor about your situation instead of breaking the rules. Everyone has shit to deal with—some single mom was up all night with the baby and still did her work on her own and followed the rules.
- boroboro4 1y ago
  And that’s literally the reason to understand people and help them rather than punish. I hope you’ll never experience how shitty life circumstances can be, and how fragile your own mind can be.
  - andrewflnr 1y ago
    That's still an argument for being graceful with failures, not for excusing dishonesty. It's really, truly, not that complicated. Civilization cannot function properly when dishonesty is accepted. (ed: To be clear, this is not a hypothetical problem. We're already in trouble due to erosion of trust.)
    - boroboro4 1y ago
      Understanding dishonesty and forgiving in it in some cases is ok. Note it’s very different from the world where dishonesty is accepted. There are a lot of cases and a lot of circumstances, not all of them should be treated equally. Seeing it black and white especially in environment where, for example, the president do corruption all the time, only will increase sense of unjust, and dishonesty itself.
      - rayiner 1y ago
        If the rules aren’t applied equally the similarly situated people, they will break down entirely. And pointing to supposed corruption elsewhere in society is how third worlders justify their own low level corruption in those countries.
      - andrewflnr 1y ago
        > in some cases is ok. Note it’s very different from the world where dishonesty is accepted. "In some cases", maybe. In a world where the majority of cases are effectively punished, we could start talking about that. Today, we live in the world where it's accepted, even when the offender is just an entitled college brat. We should change that. Oh, and "but my boss/my friends/the president does it" remains exactly as valid excuse as it always has.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    You can understand people when they’re honest and ask for help up front, not when they make excuses after they get caught breaking the rules. The latter warrants only swift and sure punishment, to reinforce the social norms.
  - Shorel 1y ago
    What is the point of your last sentence? It reads like the Jehovah witnesses arguments.

rayiner 1y ago

Mental health issues aren’t an excuse to cheat. If you can’t do the work, tell the professor about your situation instead of breaking the rules. Everyone has shit to deal with—some single mom was up all night with the baby and still did her work on her own and followed the rules.

boroboro4 1y ago
And that’s literally the reason to understand people and help them rather than punish. I hope you’ll never experience how shitty life circumstances can be, and how fragile your own mind can be.
- andrewflnr 1y ago
  That's still an argument for being graceful with failures, not for excusing dishonesty. It's really, truly, not that complicated. Civilization cannot function properly when dishonesty is accepted. (ed: To be clear, this is not a hypothetical problem. We're already in trouble due to erosion of trust.)
  - boroboro4 1y ago
    Understanding dishonesty and forgiving in it in some cases is ok. Note it’s very different from the world where dishonesty is accepted. There are a lot of cases and a lot of circumstances, not all of them should be treated equally. Seeing it black and white especially in environment where, for example, the president do corruption all the time, only will increase sense of unjust, and dishonesty itself.
    - rayiner 1y ago
      If the rules aren’t applied equally the similarly situated people, they will break down entirely. And pointing to supposed corruption elsewhere in society is how third worlders justify their own low level corruption in those countries.
    - andrewflnr 1y ago
      > in some cases is ok. Note it’s very different from the world where dishonesty is accepted. "In some cases", maybe. In a world where the majority of cases are effectively punished, we could start talking about that. Today, we live in the world where it's accepted, even when the offender is just an entitled college brat. We should change that. Oh, and "but my boss/my friends/the president does it" remains exactly as valid excuse as it always has.
- rayiner 1y ago
  You can understand people when they’re honest and ask for help up front, not when they make excuses after they get caught breaking the rules. The latter warrants only swift and sure punishment, to reinforce the social norms.
- Shorel 1y ago
  What is the point of your last sentence? It reads like the Jehovah witnesses arguments.