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I actually work in close relationship with hospitals, there is a lack in quality of life for doctors, most of their salary is extremely taxed, they are extremel

I actually work in close relationship with hospitals, there is a lack in quality of life for doctors, most of their salary is extremely taxed, they are extremely overworked and with very bad working conditions. They often move out of the country, and the ones that remains are often not the better ones. But yeah, its less expensive, unless you factor all the things that are not reimbursed and the wait times. I'm loosing karma, I guess I can't express my data point freely.

atoav 1y ago
All real problems that many health systems experience (including the US). I can't help but notice that you did not answer my question.
- somethingsome 1y ago
  Mostly because I can't personally compare, I wasn't comparing in the first place, I just didn't agree with one point of the article. I don't use much the Healthcare system in Europe, but I knew someone that had a very rare disease, and in that case there were absolutely no reimbursements, again only one data point. It's nice and well to say that everyone has 'access' to Healthcare in europe, but if the quality is very low, I'm not sure it's a win. But that's just my opinion.
  - atoav 1y ago
    The problem is however that sometimes we cannot completely freely choose howour posts are read if they are taking part in a particular context. That means even if your post was created with the intention of not comparing, it is taking part in said comparison and will be read as such. Please also keep in mind that the healthcare quality might differ a lot per country and region, so you having anecdotal evidence from the inside might feel like you are closer to reality, when in fact it is in comparison the other way around. Most of the objective metrics I have seen paint a vastely different picture, e.g. here you can see that the quality of the US health care system does apparently translates into a worse outcome for the population: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#longterm-health-outcomes https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality... If a healthcare system sucks at preventing people from dying I am pretty sure it doesn't do a good/affordable job at less light-threatening medical situations. Now I am pretty sure you can get top notch health care in the US if you can afford it, but then again you could probably fly to spain, get an operation there, go on a vacation, fly back and still come out cheaper. There is an abundance of medical travel websites targeted at the US. And we are not even talking about the utterly dystopian trend of US citizens urging you to not call the ambulance when they broke a bone because they cannot fathom paying for that. You can't have the good without the bad and this is also true in Europe, but you could also have the bad with the bad while others make money from denying people actually life saving medicine.

atoav 1y ago

All real problems that many health systems experience (including the US). I can't help but notice that you did not answer my question.

somethingsome 1y ago
Mostly because I can't personally compare, I wasn't comparing in the first place, I just didn't agree with one point of the article. I don't use much the Healthcare system in Europe, but I knew someone that had a very rare disease, and in that case there were absolutely no reimbursements, again only one data point. It's nice and well to say that everyone has 'access' to Healthcare in europe, but if the quality is very low, I'm not sure it's a win. But that's just my opinion.
- atoav 1y ago
  The problem is however that sometimes we cannot completely freely choose howour posts are read if they are taking part in a particular context. That means even if your post was created with the intention of not comparing, it is taking part in said comparison and will be read as such. Please also keep in mind that the healthcare quality might differ a lot per country and region, so you having anecdotal evidence from the inside might feel like you are closer to reality, when in fact it is in comparison the other way around. Most of the objective metrics I have seen paint a vastely different picture, e.g. here you can see that the quality of the US health care system does apparently translates into a worse outcome for the population: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#longterm-health-outcomes https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality... If a healthcare system sucks at preventing people from dying I am pretty sure it doesn't do a good/affordable job at less light-threatening medical situations. Now I am pretty sure you can get top notch health care in the US if you can afford it, but then again you could probably fly to spain, get an operation there, go on a vacation, fly back and still come out cheaper. There is an abundance of medical travel websites targeted at the US. And we are not even talking about the utterly dystopian trend of US citizens urging you to not call the ambulance when they broke a bone because they cannot fathom paying for that. You can't have the good without the bad and this is also true in Europe, but you could also have the bad with the bad while others make money from denying people actually life saving medicine.