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The devil is in the (implementation) details. Canada has had some pretty serious abuses of their right to die system. Oregon's right to die somehow doesn't attr

The devil is in the (implementation) details. Canada has had some pretty serious abuses of their right to die system. Oregon's right to die somehow doesn't attract all that bad press. Maybe there's no perfect implementation for right to die, but it'd probably be better if the error fell to the side of "if in doubt, don't".

martythemaniak 1y ago
I would quintiple-check any such claims of abuse. It's usually just clickbait and outright lies.
- hungmung 1y ago
  Here's a pretty good article which is by no means exhaustive. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/06/canada-legalized-medical-assisted-suicide-euthanasia-death-maid/673790 https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/06/canada-... One of the more surprising stories about MAID involves a Canadian veteran and paralympic, who was entitled to have a wheel chair lift installed at her home, and was instead offered the equipment to end her life because the lift was too expensive. This was something Trudeau had to address: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christine-gauthier-paralympian-euthanasia-canada-b2238319.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christine-...
- dghlsakjg 1y ago
  The OP is correct that there are verifiable claims of minor abnormalities in the Canadian MAID system. The meat of the complaints that the anti-MAID crowd latch onto is that a single caseworker for veterans was proven to have raised the possibility of MAID in 4 known cases. There have been accusations of other instances with veterans. In all of the cases of inappropriate suggestions of MAID as an option, there isn't any proof that any of them resulted in death (likely because it is not a simple process, and has numerous avenues for concerned third parties and experts to raise concerns, and requires consultation with independent doctors). A generous interpretation of the known cases shows that there have been about a dozen individuals who have had MAID suggested inappropriately. They are leaving out the denominator, however, which indicates that there are at least 15k MAID deaths per year, and increasing rapidly (probably closer to 20k, but statistics are generally at least 24 months behind), which doesn't include the people who qualify, but ultimately choose a natural death. Current estimates are that ~4-5% of deaths in Canada are MAID. So yes, there are "abuses", but arguably no evidence of irreparable harm.

martythemaniak 1y ago

I would quintiple-check any such claims of abuse. It's usually just clickbait and outright lies.

hungmung 1y ago
Here's a pretty good article which is by no means exhaustive. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/06/canada-legalized-medical-assisted-suicide-euthanasia-death-maid/673790 https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/06/canada-... One of the more surprising stories about MAID involves a Canadian veteran and paralympic, who was entitled to have a wheel chair lift installed at her home, and was instead offered the equipment to end her life because the lift was too expensive. This was something Trudeau had to address: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christine-gauthier-paralympian-euthanasia-canada-b2238319.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christine-...
dghlsakjg 1y ago
The OP is correct that there are verifiable claims of minor abnormalities in the Canadian MAID system. The meat of the complaints that the anti-MAID crowd latch onto is that a single caseworker for veterans was proven to have raised the possibility of MAID in 4 known cases. There have been accusations of other instances with veterans. In all of the cases of inappropriate suggestions of MAID as an option, there isn't any proof that any of them resulted in death (likely because it is not a simple process, and has numerous avenues for concerned third parties and experts to raise concerns, and requires consultation with independent doctors). A generous interpretation of the known cases shows that there have been about a dozen individuals who have had MAID suggested inappropriately. They are leaving out the denominator, however, which indicates that there are at least 15k MAID deaths per year, and increasing rapidly (probably closer to 20k, but statistics are generally at least 24 months behind), which doesn't include the people who qualify, but ultimately choose a natural death. Current estimates are that ~4-5% of deaths in Canada are MAID. So yes, there are "abuses", but arguably no evidence of irreparable harm.