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I believe this is cut from whole cloth and has no historical basis in matauranga Māori. It's worth noting that Māori did not have writing, and that whatever thi

I believe this is cut from whole cloth and has no historical basis in matauranga Māori. It's worth noting that Māori did not have writing, and that whatever this classification system is, it's not Māori per se, it's just Māori-themed. They did have forms of record keeping aids like rakau whakapapa / genealogy sticks, but no meaningful information classification system in the absence of writing. I feel like I'm being lied to or gaslit or something when this is claimed to be traditional.

sandworm101 1y ago
>> It's worth noting that Māori did not have writing Note the past tense. They did not have writing. They now do read and write in multiple languages. Native/aboriginal groups are not locked into what they once were. I see no reason why "maori-themed" can refer to more recent developments within that culture.
- damagednoob 1y ago
  I think the thrust of the point is that it's not 'traditional'.
  - relaxing 1y ago
    How is it not traditional?
    - tyuijvhvhcfcjf 1y ago
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- phyalow 1y ago
  Except Mātauranga by definition refers to “TRADITIONAL” knowledge. And as OP points out this isnt it. I too feel gaslit respectfully, reading your reply and the article.
relaxing 1y ago
> They did have forms of record keeping aids like rakau whakapapa / genealogy sticks, but no meaningful information classification system in the absence of writing. They had oral tradition, and it is extremely meaningful. (To clarify, an information classification system can be implemented through oral communication.)
- like_any_other 1y ago
  The poster explicitly said "information classification system". What you said is correct, but does not contradict the parent post.
helpfulContrib 1y ago
If you're really objecting to new information systems being created from an existing historical/cultural corpus' as a means of making cultural treasures more accessible to a literate audience, are you really a hacker? The fact of the use of Maori to organize Maori literature, is of immense interest, whether it suits a foreign, supposed culture more, or otherwise. This is a new method of organizing an important corpus of cultural knowledge, granting new insight to an intended audience. Why not applaud its utility, rather than immediately disregard the results to be attained? Or have you, indeed, found it wanting as a means of searching for specific details in the Maori collection? >gaslighting I think the standard issue, if you feel like this, is to check oneself, before one wrecks oneself. Here, let me show you the gaslight: "has no historical basis", "just Maori-themed", "forms of record keeping", "no meaningful information classification system", "I feel.."
gnat 1y ago
The librarian and the article cited don’t claim that the book classification system is the traditional book classification system of Māori. You are reacting to a claim of your own creation. Each god has a bunch of different associations/responsibilities in traditional Māori culture. Applying those to book classification is the novelty, which they claim as novel and are proud of having created.

sandworm101 1y ago

>> It's worth noting that Māori did not have writing Note the past tense. They did not have writing. They now do read and write in multiple languages. Native/aboriginal groups are not locked into what they once were. I see no reason why "maori-themed" can refer to more recent developments within that culture.

damagednoob 1y ago
I think the thrust of the point is that it's not 'traditional'.
- relaxing 1y ago
  How is it not traditional?
  - tyuijvhvhcfcjf 1y ago
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phyalow 1y ago
Except Mātauranga by definition refers to “TRADITIONAL” knowledge. And as OP points out this isnt it. I too feel gaslit respectfully, reading your reply and the article.

relaxing 1y ago

> They did have forms of record keeping aids like rakau whakapapa / genealogy sticks, but no meaningful information classification system in the absence of writing. They had oral tradition, and it is extremely meaningful. (To clarify, an information classification system can be implemented through oral communication.)

like_any_other 1y ago
The poster explicitly said "information classification system". What you said is correct, but does not contradict the parent post.

helpfulContrib 1y ago

If you're really objecting to new information systems being created from an existing historical/cultural corpus' as a means of making cultural treasures more accessible to a literate audience, are you really a hacker? The fact of the use of Maori to organize Maori literature, is of immense interest, whether it suits a foreign, supposed culture more, or otherwise. This is a new method of organizing an important corpus of cultural knowledge, granting new insight to an intended audience. Why not applaud its utility, rather than immediately disregard the results to be attained? Or have you, indeed, found it wanting as a means of searching for specific details in the Maori collection? >gaslighting I think the standard issue, if you feel like this, is to check oneself, before one wrecks oneself. Here, let me show you the gaslight: "has no historical basis", "just Maori-themed", "forms of record keeping", "no meaningful information classification system", "I feel.."

gnat 1y ago

The librarian and the article cited don’t claim that the book classification system is the traditional book classification system of Māori. You are reacting to a claim of your own creation. Each god has a bunch of different associations/responsibilities in traditional Māori culture. Applying those to book classification is the novelty, which they claim as novel and are proud of having created.