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The linked article by Jerusalem Demas is worth reading. And, yeah, community input is bad.
by rcpt 1y ago
The linked article by Jerusalem Demas is worth reading.
And, yeah, community input is bad.
- snovv_crash 1y agoIt's an incentives issue, not a community input issue. If the only value you are able to hold onto is the development you do yourself, then you aren't going to block your neighbours from building up their property.
- username332211 1y agoIncentives have nothing to do with it. Until the community recognizes that other people have rights and that rights are rights precisely because you need no "community input" (which is an euphemism for "political interference") in order to exercise them, the results will be the same. While developing a piece of real estate can cause a good deal of damage to the character of a community, ideas are much more dangerous in that regard. Why is it then, that we allow for unscrupulous capitalists to disseminate ideas freely? Why isn't there "community input" into the things newspapers are allowed to publish?
- immibis 1y agoincentives have everything to do with it and you're describing incentives while saying you're not
- rcpt 1y agoMembers of the community have incentives to prevent high speed rail and apartment towers being built near them. The general population has incentives to build high speed and apartment towers in those neighborhoods. But, because of community input, the voice of local busybodies is louder than that of the general population. It is a a disservice to democracy and prevents our governments from functioning in a way that serves the people.
- throw0101d 1y ago> And, yeah, community input is bad. Was the community input to Robert Moses' NYC plans bad? * https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/apr/28/story-cities-32-new-york-jane-jacobs-robert-moses https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/apr/28/story-cities-... How about to the Spadina Expressway in Toronto? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Road#Spadina_Expressway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Road#Spadina_Expressway * https://www.tvo.org/article/the-streets-belong-to-the-people-why-a-premier-killed-the-spadina-expressway https://www.tvo.org/article/the-streets-belong-to-the-people... * https://transittoronto.ca/spare/0019.shtml https://transittoronto.ca/spare/0019.shtml
- rcpt 1y agoCommunity input is bad. Maybe in the 50s things were different. But that was a long time ago and the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction. Robert Moses could not build today. Nobody can build today. Largely because we have given neighborhood busybodies veto power over all decisions. It's a disservice to the people when they democratically vote for something like a high speed rail and then never get it because the voices of local property owners matter more than that of the population.
- TulliusCicero 1y ago> Largely because we have given neighborhood busybodies veto power over all decisions. This is the real problem. There are forms of community input that are fine, but if you let local neighborhood councils veto any kind of building they don't like, they'll do just that.
- TulliusCicero 1y ago> community input is bad Community input is bad when it leads to bad results. Kind of a tautology, but my point is just that you can have good community input, it does happen, even if, yes, the general 'local' culture in the US tends to lend itself to NIMBYism.