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It sounds to me like you're in favor of grading on effort. I don't believe that investment made in time or money should factor in to assessing a student's mast

It sounds to me like you're in favor of grading on effort. I don't believe that investment made in time or money should factor in to assessing a student's mastery.

Henchman21 1y ago
I don’t believe money should ever be a factor for students. In any way. Yet, when I was a student I was incredibly loud about “I am a paying customer of this institution and you’re gonna teach me. Late to class and not allowed in? Great, I paid for this class and I’ll take it up with whomever has the ability to reprimand you/fire you if you aren’t tenured/generally make your life hell.” Money in education perverts everything. More generally money is the root of all evil, eh? But if you took my cash and I get nothing? Thats a very loud complaint and/or lawsuit.
- afavour 1y ago
  Eh, you paid and agreed to terms and conditions. > you took my cash and I get nothing? If I book a hotel room then turn up a week later than my booking date trying to get a room I can expect to receive nothing.
  - Henchman21 1y ago
    Sure; but also the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I got my education and a couple of my professors got forced to be decent to their students. In my case it worked out. YMMV.
    - afavour 1y ago
      YMMV on the definition of “decent”. Arriving late to class is disruptive to all the other paying customers in the room so IMO it should be disincentivised. There are reasonable and unreasonable levels of disincentive, of course.
      - Henchman21 1y ago
        Agreed. I had a professor who’d whip whatever was on the desk at whomever was late. Some poor girl got hit with a stapler. So you know, that mileage is a highly variable thing!
        krisoft 1y ago
        That’s physical assault and i would report it to the police and then to the educational institution in that order. If the professor retaliates in any way i would further report that too.
- Noumenon72 1y ago
  On one theory of college, you get someone to hold you to certain standards (which many people have trouble holding themselves to) and then verify that you were held to those standards, providing a signal that you can meet high standards. Somehow, I missed this theory and also just wanted to skip all my classes with no repercussions, but I wish it had been explained to me better.
  - throwaway314155 1y ago
    Meanwhile I knew perfectly well that's the theory of a functioning academy and _still_ chose to skip class and get high/drunk with my friends. Guess I'm a terrible person/s
- bawolff 1y ago
  > But if you took my cash and I get nothing? Thats a very loud complaint and/or lawsuit. Maybe in america... but at the end of the day its not that hard to tell the customer to fuck off. The value proposition of a university is either the credential or self-improvement. Its not their customer service.
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ghaff 1y ago
Not really. But I'm generally not in favor of all or nothing end-of-term evaluations rather than mid-course correction feedback. And also not in favor of admitting students that will probably be out of their depth. As was the case with a course I TAd and did some tutoring for. (Not engineering.)
ashdksnndck 1y ago
Grading on effort with a ceiling of a C is pretty different from grading on effort full stop.
raydev 1y ago
Getting a 100% final grade doesn't indicate mastery.

It sounds to me like you're in favor of grading on effort. I don't believe that investment made in time or money should factor in to assessing a student's mastery.

Henchman21 1y ago

I don’t believe money should ever be a factor for students. In any way. Yet, when I was a student I was incredibly loud about “I am a paying customer of this institution and you’re gonna teach me. Late to class and not allowed in? Great, I paid for this class and I’ll take it up with whomever has the ability to reprimand you/fire you if you aren’t tenured/generally make your life hell.” Money in education perverts everything. More generally money is the root of all evil, eh? But if you took my cash and I get nothing? Thats a very loud complaint and/or lawsuit.

afavour 1y ago
Eh, you paid and agreed to terms and conditions. > you took my cash and I get nothing? If I book a hotel room then turn up a week later than my booking date trying to get a room I can expect to receive nothing.
- Henchman21 1y ago
  Sure; but also the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I got my education and a couple of my professors got forced to be decent to their students. In my case it worked out. YMMV.
  - afavour 1y ago
    YMMV on the definition of “decent”. Arriving late to class is disruptive to all the other paying customers in the room so IMO it should be disincentivised. There are reasonable and unreasonable levels of disincentive, of course.
    - Henchman21 1y ago
      Agreed. I had a professor who’d whip whatever was on the desk at whomever was late. Some poor girl got hit with a stapler. So you know, that mileage is a highly variable thing!
      - krisoft 1y ago
        That’s physical assault and i would report it to the police and then to the educational institution in that order. If the professor retaliates in any way i would further report that too.
Noumenon72 1y ago
On one theory of college, you get someone to hold you to certain standards (which many people have trouble holding themselves to) and then verify that you were held to those standards, providing a signal that you can meet high standards. Somehow, I missed this theory and also just wanted to skip all my classes with no repercussions, but I wish it had been explained to me better.
- throwaway314155 1y ago
  Meanwhile I knew perfectly well that's the theory of a functioning academy and _still_ chose to skip class and get high/drunk with my friends. Guess I'm a terrible person/s
bawolff 1y ago
> But if you took my cash and I get nothing? Thats a very loud complaint and/or lawsuit. Maybe in america... but at the end of the day its not that hard to tell the customer to fuck off. The value proposition of a university is either the credential or self-improvement. Its not their customer service.
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ghaff 1y ago

Not really. But I'm generally not in favor of all or nothing end-of-term evaluations rather than mid-course correction feedback. And also not in favor of admitting students that will probably be out of their depth. As was the case with a course I TAd and did some tutoring for. (Not engineering.)

ashdksnndck 1y ago

Grading on effort with a ceiling of a C is pretty different from grading on effort full stop.

raydev 1y ago

Getting a 100% final grade doesn't indicate mastery.