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> They continue to use AI for math (asking LLMs to split bills, for example) Ah, yes, high tech solutions for low tech problems. Let's use the word machine for

> They continue to use AI for math (asking LLMs to split bills, for example) Ah, yes, high tech solutions for low tech problems. Let's use the word machine for this number problem!

thaumasiotes 1y ago
> Let's use the word machine for this number problem! You know, that's a thought process that makes internal sense. You have someone who's terrible at math. They want something else to do math for them. Will they prefer to use a calculator, or a natural language interface? How do you use a calculator without knowing what you're doing?
- osmsucks 1y ago
  Feels to me like if you can't even use a calculator you have bigger problems to worry about...
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    You don't think people who can't use a calculator ever have dinner with their friends?
    - osmsucks 1y ago
      I don't know of anyone who can't even operate a calculator, but is at the same buddies with ChatGPT.
datavirtue 1y ago
I'm so lazy, I have chat bots do all kinds of complex calculations for me. I even use it as a stock screener and the poor thing just suffers, burning fuck tons of electricity.
sspiff 1y ago
Many of them try to be mindful of their climate impact. I've tried to explain it in those terms as well: every medium-sized prompt on these large models consumes roughly one phone battery charge worth of energy. You have a phone with a calculator. I'd ask them to do the math on how much energy they're wasting asking stupid things of these systems, but I'm too afraid they'd ask ChatGPT to do the math.
- fatata123 1y ago
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- alainx277 1y ago
  Where are you getting these numbers from? I'm finding data between 0.3Wh and 3Wh for a 4o query, while a typical phone battery has 10Wh. The energy consumption per prompt will decrease for the same task complexity, as inference hardware gets better (as they already have from the 2023 paper that reported 3Wh).

> They continue to use AI for math (asking LLMs to split bills, for example) Ah, yes, high tech solutions for low tech problems. Let's use the word machine for this number problem!

thaumasiotes 1y ago

> Let's use the word machine for this number problem! You know, that's a thought process that makes internal sense. You have someone who's terrible at math. They want something else to do math for them. Will they prefer to use a calculator, or a natural language interface? How do you use a calculator without knowing what you're doing?

osmsucks 1y ago
Feels to me like if you can't even use a calculator you have bigger problems to worry about...
- thaumasiotes 1y ago
  You don't think people who can't use a calculator ever have dinner with their friends?
  - osmsucks 1y ago
    I don't know of anyone who can't even operate a calculator, but is at the same buddies with ChatGPT.

datavirtue 1y ago

I'm so lazy, I have chat bots do all kinds of complex calculations for me. I even use it as a stock screener and the poor thing just suffers, burning fuck tons of electricity.

sspiff 1y ago

Many of them try to be mindful of their climate impact. I've tried to explain it in those terms as well: every medium-sized prompt on these large models consumes roughly one phone battery charge worth of energy. You have a phone with a calculator. I'd ask them to do the math on how much energy they're wasting asking stupid things of these systems, but I'm too afraid they'd ask ChatGPT to do the math.

fatata123 1y ago
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alainx277 1y ago
Where are you getting these numbers from? I'm finding data between 0.3Wh and 3Wh for a 4o query, while a typical phone battery has 10Wh. The energy consumption per prompt will decrease for the same task complexity, as inference hardware gets better (as they already have from the 2023 paper that reported 3Wh).