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Is Google, or at least the C suite, not absolutely embarrassed by their behavior? Or is the promotion/churn cycle so high that nobody at all cares anymore?

izacus 1y ago
I don't think they can hear you over record breaking profit and stock price. Capitalism doesn't measure itself in "embarassement" or your opinion, it measures via cold hard cash. And Google has been making boatloads of it year after year after year. Until that changes, a C-suite won't self reflect. They're "winning", aren't they?
- delusional 1y ago
  I think this is true on a deeper level. What do we measure progress by? The only thing people ever talk about as a measure of progress is the stock market. How much it's up, how much it's down. Nobody cares about the actual output of the economy at this point. It's all just number go up. It's not just the CEO's that can't hear anything over the record breaking profit. It's all of society.
  - ghusto 1y ago
    I'm a little more optimistic, which is boosted by the change in levels of awareness I'm seeing in people around me (not just tech people). As much as I like to shit on gen-z, one great thing they have going for them is awareness and understanding at levels that were unobtainable for my generation, and it's trickling _up_ to the older generation. A good example: My generation always ended discussions of counter-productive change with "Well, that's progress!". Gen-z are asking "progress towards _what_?". People are waking up to the fact that common accepted "wisdom" can be questioned.
    - zukzuk 1y ago
      You must be brushing up against a very different cohort than I. Sure, there are some very smart and aware gen-zs, just as there have been in every generation. But on average they are as ignorant as anyone else, with maybe a bigger than average bias for apathy.
      - gus_tpm 1y ago
        I know it's just hacker news, but I would like to hope. I am gen-z after all, and I have seen a lot more understanding from my friends lately. Obviously we are not better than anyone else, and everyone is different.
        ghusto 1y ago
        > Obviously we are not better than anyone else, and everyone is different LoL, this is what I'm talking about, by the way :D Also, it makes us older folks uncomfortable in a perplexed sort of way. I mean, it's good, but ... we don't understand your understanding.
- StopDisinfo910 1y ago
  The issue is still the same it was a century ago. Google is more or less a conglomerate. It has no incentive to be performing in any of the business which are not the money printing machine. It just needs to be good enough to kill potential competitors. That’s why competition law enforcement matters.
dyauspitr 1y ago
Maybe it’s a viable strategy though marginally hostile to consumers. Let internal teams battle it out and let the cream float to the top? I mean it’s working because I use dozens of Google products everyday, they’re killing it with LLMs and their stock prices are higher than ever.

izacus 1y ago

I don't think they can hear you over record breaking profit and stock price. Capitalism doesn't measure itself in "embarassement" or your opinion, it measures via cold hard cash. And Google has been making boatloads of it year after year after year. Until that changes, a C-suite won't self reflect. They're "winning", aren't they?

delusional 1y ago
I think this is true on a deeper level. What do we measure progress by? The only thing people ever talk about as a measure of progress is the stock market. How much it's up, how much it's down. Nobody cares about the actual output of the economy at this point. It's all just number go up. It's not just the CEO's that can't hear anything over the record breaking profit. It's all of society.
- ghusto 1y ago
  I'm a little more optimistic, which is boosted by the change in levels of awareness I'm seeing in people around me (not just tech people). As much as I like to shit on gen-z, one great thing they have going for them is awareness and understanding at levels that were unobtainable for my generation, and it's trickling _up_ to the older generation. A good example: My generation always ended discussions of counter-productive change with "Well, that's progress!". Gen-z are asking "progress towards _what_?". People are waking up to the fact that common accepted "wisdom" can be questioned.
  - zukzuk 1y ago
    You must be brushing up against a very different cohort than I. Sure, there are some very smart and aware gen-zs, just as there have been in every generation. But on average they are as ignorant as anyone else, with maybe a bigger than average bias for apathy.
    - gus_tpm 1y ago
      I know it's just hacker news, but I would like to hope. I am gen-z after all, and I have seen a lot more understanding from my friends lately. Obviously we are not better than anyone else, and everyone is different.
      - ghusto 1y ago
        > Obviously we are not better than anyone else, and everyone is different LoL, this is what I'm talking about, by the way :D Also, it makes us older folks uncomfortable in a perplexed sort of way. I mean, it's good, but ... we don't understand your understanding.
StopDisinfo910 1y ago
The issue is still the same it was a century ago. Google is more or less a conglomerate. It has no incentive to be performing in any of the business which are not the money printing machine. It just needs to be good enough to kill potential competitors. That’s why competition law enforcement matters.

dyauspitr 1y ago

Maybe it’s a viable strategy though marginally hostile to consumers. Let internal teams battle it out and let the cream float to the top? I mean it’s working because I use dozens of Google products everyday, they’re killing it with LLMs and their stock prices are higher than ever.