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Ding ding ding! We have a winner! And the market dominant Teslas, among others, are primarily built on Chinese battery supply chains, the Scandinavian battery

by acyou 1y ago

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! And the market dominant Teslas, among others, are primarily built on Chinese battery supply chains, the Scandinavian battery manufacturer having going out of business (Northvolt). So extracting selling oil and natural gas and taking the proceeds to buy strip mined heavy metal ticking time bomb of environmental catastrophe SUVs, and this makes people feel good. As if it would cancel things out. Turns out it's pretty good to live in a country with huge amounts of natural resources, small population, non-existent immigration, and flexible self serving morals. If you can't tell, I'm jealous that I'm not Norwegian, who wouldn't be?

audunw 1y ago
Thinking EVs are an environmental catastrophe is completely disconnected from reality. There are already big battery recycling operations up and running with very good yields, and they just keep getting better and more efficient at recycling these batteries. So whatever impact we have from mining is mostly temporary, as the need for mining will fall off a cliff when all cars have been converted to EVs. Tell me what EV activity related industrial activity comes remotely close to the Deepwater Horizen accident or the hundreds of other catastrophic oil spills? What part of EV production REQUIRED emitting pollution as part of its operations for all eternity? What part of EVs are burned as part of everyday driving? The challenges of European battery manufacturers is just as much related to USAs IRA. Some of them shifter their efforts to the US as a result. The lesson is that EU needs to be as serious as China and USA in supporting their battery manufacturing industry. There are now dozens of battery giga factories being built all over Europe so there is some progress at least. Morrow in Norway is still doing OK for instance. It has its challenges like everyone in this difficult market. But with more and more tariffs and such on China I’m optimistic that it’ll work out.
netsharc 1y ago
> non-existent immigration You've never been to Norway, I guess? A decade ago the rightwing dog-whistle synonym to this was the phrase "homogeneous society". Whenever I see it I think the writer thinks he's figured out a way to say "foreigners bad!" but in a more sophisticated way.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Right, immigration has nothing to do with it. There's a lot of countries that are homogeneous and are economic failures. And then the US, which has historically had A LOT of immigration, is still the biggest economic force on the planet. And those German, Chinese, Polish and what have you immigrants throughout American history is a big part of our success.

by acyou 1y ago

audunw 1y ago

Thinking EVs are an environmental catastrophe is completely disconnected from reality. There are already big battery recycling operations up and running with very good yields, and they just keep getting better and more efficient at recycling these batteries. So whatever impact we have from mining is mostly temporary, as the need for mining will fall off a cliff when all cars have been converted to EVs. Tell me what EV activity related industrial activity comes remotely close to the Deepwater Horizen accident or the hundreds of other catastrophic oil spills? What part of EV production REQUIRED emitting pollution as part of its operations for all eternity? What part of EVs are burned as part of everyday driving? The challenges of European battery manufacturers is just as much related to USAs IRA. Some of them shifter their efforts to the US as a result. The lesson is that EU needs to be as serious as China and USA in supporting their battery manufacturing industry. There are now dozens of battery giga factories being built all over Europe so there is some progress at least. Morrow in Norway is still doing OK for instance. It has its challenges like everyone in this difficult market. But with more and more tariffs and such on China I’m optimistic that it’ll work out.

netsharc 1y ago

> non-existent immigration You've never been to Norway, I guess? A decade ago the rightwing dog-whistle synonym to this was the phrase "homogeneous society". Whenever I see it I think the writer thinks he's figured out a way to say "foreigners bad!" but in a more sophisticated way.

const_cast 1y ago
Right, immigration has nothing to do with it. There's a lot of countries that are homogeneous and are economic failures. And then the US, which has historically had A LOT of immigration, is still the biggest economic force on the planet. And those German, Chinese, Polish and what have you immigrants throughout American history is a big part of our success.