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They arrest people to put them in front of a judge. This is nothing like that.

by jaoane 1y ago

lesuorac 1y ago
I'm sure the treasury department would love for the guy to appear in front of a judge. However, he's also welcome to email an appeal [1]. Note: This is a civil penalty. Much like a traffic ticket and does not require a judge. --- You won't necessarily show up in front of a judge if you get arrested. You may get released with no charges. You might also not get court time until a year+ from now inwhich case you'll probably plead guilty to time served regardless of the crime since it lets you out now. Due process does not mean "judge approved". It just means consistent with written law. [1]: https://ofac.treasury.gov/specially-designated-nationals-list-sdn-list/filing-a-petition-for-removal-from-an-ofac-list https://ofac.treasury.gov/specially-designated-nationals-lis...
- mmooss 1y ago
  > a traffic ticket and does not require a judge Yes it does. You can have a trial for your traffic ticket. > Due process does not mean "judge approved". It just means consistent with written law. That's just false. In fact, courts overrule laws and the procedures they authorize because they lack due process.
  - lesuorac 1y ago
    > Yes it does. You can have a trial for your traffic ticket. A trial was not required for the city to issue you a ticket. You can contest the ticket in traffic court where you will _not_ get a jury of your peers. Everything the government does can eventually be contested in court (with a judge). Even if Liu makes an appeal and it gets denied he can still turn to the courts. > That's just false. In fact, courts overrule laws and the procedures they authorize because they lack due process. This is a non-sequitur statement. Courts overruling some laws and some procedures does not change the definition of "due process". No court has overruled this law and no court has overruled cops being allowed arrest people without consulting a judge first.
    - mmooss 1y ago
      > A trial was not required for the city to issue you a ticket. A trial is not required for the police to arrest you for murder, which you can contest in court or not. > Courts overruling some laws and some procedures does not change the definition of "due process". It does when they overrule them for omitting due process, as I said.

They arrest people to put them in front of a judge. This is nothing like that.

by jaoane 1y ago

They arrest people to put them in front of a judge. This is nothing like that.

I'm sure the treasury department would love for the guy to appear in front of a judge. However, he's also welcome to email an appeal [1]. Note: This is a civil penalty. Much like a traffic ticket and does not require a judge. --- You won't necessarily show up in front of a judge if you get arrested. You may get released with no charges. You might also not get court time until a year+ from now inwhich case you'll probably plead guilty to time served regardless of the crime since it lets you out now. Due process does not mean "judge approved". It just means consistent with written law. [1]: https://ofac.treasury.gov/specially-designated-nationals-list-sdn-list/filing-a-petition-for-removal-from-an-ofac-list https://ofac.treasury.gov/specially-designated-nationals-lis...

mmooss 1y ago
> a traffic ticket and does not require a judge Yes it does. You can have a trial for your traffic ticket. > Due process does not mean "judge approved". It just means consistent with written law. That's just false. In fact, courts overrule laws and the procedures they authorize because they lack due process.
- lesuorac 1y ago
  > Yes it does. You can have a trial for your traffic ticket. A trial was not required for the city to issue you a ticket. You can contest the ticket in traffic court where you will _not_ get a jury of your peers. Everything the government does can eventually be contested in court (with a judge). Even if Liu makes an appeal and it gets denied he can still turn to the courts. > That's just false. In fact, courts overrule laws and the procedures they authorize because they lack due process. This is a non-sequitur statement. Courts overruling some laws and some procedures does not change the definition of "due process". No court has overruled this law and no court has overruled cops being allowed arrest people without consulting a judge first.
  - mmooss 1y ago
    > A trial was not required for the city to issue you a ticket. A trial is not required for the police to arrest you for murder, which you can contest in court or not. > Courts overruling some laws and some procedures does not change the definition of "due process". It does when they overrule them for omitting due process, as I said.