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If you're goin to call my post silly and condescend to me personally (in another post you called me a liar despite me citing sources to back up my claims), plea

If you're goin to call my post silly and condescend to me personally (in another post you called me a liar despite me citing sources to back up my claims), please respond with something more substantive than "the future is unknowable".

infecto 1y ago
Please don’t play a victim card for no reason. “Tesla has been getting closer to FSD the same way climbing up a ladder gets you closer to the moon” This is a silly claim that perpetuates your dislike of Musk. FSD has absolutely gotten no where close to his claims. I have no idea if vision only is the right path and Tesla probably does play too fast and loose but their FSD program has absolutely been making improvements in, especially in the past few years. How about you back up your claim instead of using hyperbole?
- ModernMech 1y ago
  I'm not playing a victim card, you just didn't make an argument. What am I supposed to say about your feelings about my post? You want to make an argument? Fine. You want to just call my post silly? Well you've done that, I don't think I need to add anything more. I stated my reasoning, the sensor stack in insufficient. The evidence is they've been trying at it for close to a decade now, and have had to continually move the goal posts, missing their self-proclaimed milestones, delaying their shipping dates by years, reneging on their promises and projections, and leaving a trail of death and destruction in their wake (and that's not hyperbole); whereas Waymo went with a better sensor stack (the one roboticists have been saying was the way to go), and is actually shipping a true full self-driving service, one that won't run off the road if you fall asleep. So we already know what does work (orthogonal sensors like LIDAR+RADAR+Camera) and what doesn't work (Camera only). We learned this in 2007 at the DARPA Urban Challenge, and it's been affirmed by Tesla's continued track record of failure in 2025.

infecto 1y ago

Please don’t play a victim card for no reason. “Tesla has been getting closer to FSD the same way climbing up a ladder gets you closer to the moon” This is a silly claim that perpetuates your dislike of Musk. FSD has absolutely gotten no where close to his claims. I have no idea if vision only is the right path and Tesla probably does play too fast and loose but their FSD program has absolutely been making improvements in, especially in the past few years. How about you back up your claim instead of using hyperbole?

ModernMech 1y ago
I'm not playing a victim card, you just didn't make an argument. What am I supposed to say about your feelings about my post? You want to make an argument? Fine. You want to just call my post silly? Well you've done that, I don't think I need to add anything more. I stated my reasoning, the sensor stack in insufficient. The evidence is they've been trying at it for close to a decade now, and have had to continually move the goal posts, missing their self-proclaimed milestones, delaying their shipping dates by years, reneging on their promises and projections, and leaving a trail of death and destruction in their wake (and that's not hyperbole); whereas Waymo went with a better sensor stack (the one roboticists have been saying was the way to go), and is actually shipping a true full self-driving service, one that won't run off the road if you fall asleep. So we already know what does work (orthogonal sensors like LIDAR+RADAR+Camera) and what doesn't work (Camera only). We learned this in 2007 at the DARPA Urban Challenge, and it's been affirmed by Tesla's continued track record of failure in 2025.