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How many 100% self taught, no prior experience people are applying to these positions and are accepted for interviews? Obviously that number is extremely low es
by constantcrying 1y ago
How many 100% self taught, no prior experience people are applying to these positions and are accepted for interviews? Obviously that number is extremely low especially given the last couple of years.
Having a process which only exist for the 1% of least likely candidates is absurd. Even if you wanted to give these people w chance, obviously you don't need to subject the 99% of people to the same process. What is the point of asking a CS graduate with 5 years industry experience some brain teaser questions? There is literally no point, it tells you exactly zero about the candidate.
Also, you can self teach everything in most engineering disciplines. What part of Electrical engineering or mechanical engineering requires a substantial financial investment or has things you could only learn in a university?
- pvg 1y agoSir, this is a Show HN.
- constantcrying 1y agoAnd therefore you aren't allowed to criticize it? If what you are making is built upon a joke of a premise that should be criticized.
- pvg 1y agoYou are allowed to criticize it but you can't fulminate and you can't go on some generic tangent, just like pretty much always? It's both in the Show HN thing https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html and the site thing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- constantcrying 1y agoHow is criticizing the premise of something a "generic tangent"? If the premise behind something is bad the whole thing is bad. Evaluating something obviously needs to account for the context it exists in. In fact talking about this particular Show HN is impossible without implicitly or explicitly taking a position on the hiring process. If the current hiring practices were good, having resources to succeed in them would be beneficial and praise worthy. Otherwise they only help to strengthen a broken process, although obviously it might be beneficial to individuals to game that process (which further demonstrates the problems with that process). I don't see how you even could substantively talk about this post without evaluating the hiring practices it presupposes.
- pvg 1y agoIf the premise behind something is bad the whole thing is bad. Then find a thread where the premise is being discussed, if that's how you feel, or write your own post about the faults of the premise. "The premise of your whole thing is invalid" is not something you can grumpdump on someone showing their work. The, well, premise of Show HN is people showcasing their work specifically - it's not an invitation for everyone to express their views on general things they dislike.
- constantcrying 1y agoThe idea that criticizing something by criticizing its premise is off topic or unrelated is ridiculous. >"The premise of your whole thing is invalid" is not something you can grumpdump on someone showing their work. Why? It is obviously extremely relevant and on topic. Also don't pretend this is some drive by "This sucks because hiring sucks". I specifically am criticizing the specific aspect this Show HN is targeting.
- pvg 1y agoWhy? Because it's shitty and tedious? It's so shitty and so tedious there there are forum (beside basic human) conventions against it. They're right in the links above. Your comment is flagged dead. What further explanations are necessary here, really? "Don't be an internet jerk" is hardly an abstruse or unusual social concept. Also don't pretend this is some drive by "This sucks because hiring sucks" I don't have to pretend, it's the literal tangent that you took.
- constantcrying 1y agoI do not believe that I even came close to breaking any rules or that I even went slightly off topic. Of course I was "shitty", by not giving someone a pat on the back for their "hard work", simply because I think what they did is a waste of time and effort. Obviously I know that criticizing someone, who has put in significant work is very looked down upon. This is also one of the reason I was flagged, the other wing people very invested in that hiring process for whatever reason taking issue with my position. I do not mind a negative reaction to my comments, obviously I had to expect it. But my comment was on topic and it was flagged for going against the social convention of being generally supportive of people showcasing their work. If it makes me a "jerk" to point out that people have wasted their time on some stupid project, then so be it.