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> It's much more expensive to build and maintain a vast network of roads, sewage, water, power lines across a huge area servicing fewer people. You don't need s

> It's much more expensive to build and maintain a vast network of roads, sewage, water, power lines across a huge area servicing fewer people. You don't need skyscrapers to build a denser city, you live in Germany so you are aware of that. We already have built all that infrastructure over the last millennia. We have roads everywhere, we have water and power everywhere, and 99.99% are attached to a sewer mains. That's the fucking point. We have more than enough housing, it's just the basic infrastructure like 5G and fiber internet that drives people away from the rural areas, caused by politicians thinking "we don't need 5G on every cow pasture" (yes, literally, that was an actual quote).

piva00 1y ago
Do you think this infrastructure just sits there, being used all the time, without requiring constant replacement/maintenance? All the roads everywhere are only possible when maintained, you are in Germany so you are very familiar with Autobahn closures for it. The same is needed for all power lines, water lines, sewage, internet infrastructure, cellphone infrastructure, etc. they are constantly being repaired, expanded, and replaced by better technology. All of that is only possible through economies of scale, you simply cannot have all the necessary infrastructure expected from a contemporary life style in good functioning state without a large cohort of people sharing the financial burden to maintain it, the less dense it is the more expensive it is to maintain each metre of power lines, sewage, water, roads, etc. per capita. I do not understand what you aren't understanding. > it's just the basic infrastructure like 5G and fiber internet that drives people away from the rural areas, caused by politicians thinking "we don't need 5G on every cow pasture" (yes, literally, that was an actual quote). Because to do that it needs to be subsidised by someone else, the 10 people in a town without 5G coverage are not enough to support the installation, and upkeep of multiple towers to service them, 5G has quite shorter range compared to 4G/3G. Fibre needs to be rolled out, trenches dug, switching infrastructure somewhere not too far away to maintain a good SNR. The basic infrastructure can only exist if there are enough people to pay for it, if it's already difficult to subsidise this use even with the dense population centres paying for it, how exactly do you see it being paid by in your fantasy?

piva00 1y ago

Do you think this infrastructure just sits there, being used all the time, without requiring constant replacement/maintenance? All the roads everywhere are only possible when maintained, you are in Germany so you are very familiar with Autobahn closures for it. The same is needed for all power lines, water lines, sewage, internet infrastructure, cellphone infrastructure, etc. they are constantly being repaired, expanded, and replaced by better technology. All of that is only possible through economies of scale, you simply cannot have all the necessary infrastructure expected from a contemporary life style in good functioning state without a large cohort of people sharing the financial burden to maintain it, the less dense it is the more expensive it is to maintain each metre of power lines, sewage, water, roads, etc. per capita. I do not understand what you aren't understanding. > it's just the basic infrastructure like 5G and fiber internet that drives people away from the rural areas, caused by politicians thinking "we don't need 5G on every cow pasture" (yes, literally, that was an actual quote). Because to do that it needs to be subsidised by someone else, the 10 people in a town without 5G coverage are not enough to support the installation, and upkeep of multiple towers to service them, 5G has quite shorter range compared to 4G/3G. Fibre needs to be rolled out, trenches dug, switching infrastructure somewhere not too far away to maintain a good SNR. The basic infrastructure can only exist if there are enough people to pay for it, if it's already difficult to subsidise this use even with the dense population centres paying for it, how exactly do you see it being paid by in your fantasy?