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I wonder how HN would react if the listed political parties were all left-wing / progressive ones.

zzo38computer 1y ago
Probably people would complain either way, but my opinion is that neither the left nor right political parties are good, and my opinion is also that the license should not make such restrictions like this whether or not you agree with those political parties. Some other people might believe similar things that I had said.
Apreche 1y ago
Hopefully poorly, and rightly so. There is a such thing as right and wrong.
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energywut 1y ago
I'm as far left as you can be. I would say exactly the same thing -- people should be free to associate with who they want, and vend stuff to who they want. I've seen this line of argument before, "You wouldn't say this if it was YOUR TEAM" and like, yeah, I would? I have a belief that people should be able to freely associate? Why would it matter if it was left groups or right groups or centrist groups? You have to break out of this "us vs them" notion of politics, it's deeply unhealthy. Parties don't matter, politicians don't matter, policies matter. Be pro/anti- some policy. Who cares what color team has that policy?
bobsmooth 1y ago
Are there any right-wingers writing notable software?
- hagbard_c 1y ago
  Yes, loads of 'm, why do you ask? In contrast to the author of this product they, just like most left-wingers who write software tend to keep their political opinions to themselves. When the author of SQLite - to stay within the SQL domain - presented the Rule of St. Benedict as their 'Code of Conduct' during the Code of Conduct wars of the second decade of the 21st century many a 'good leftie' complained that that was unacceptable - hence the reticence of those who are not in cahoots with those 'good lefties' to voice their opinion on things political. It is the loudmouths like the author of SQL Workbench who draw attention which gives some people - like you - the impression that all software authors must be 'good lefties'. This is not the case, software is produced by people from all over the political spectrum just like bread is baked by all, music is made by all, houses are built by all. [1][ https://www.sqlite.org/codeofethics.html https://www.sqlite.org/codeofethics.html
  - archagon 1y ago
    I would expect the typical American right-winger to be outright allergic to open source “communism.” (Unless they can profit off of it, of course.)
    - hagbard_c 1y ago
      Had free software existed in the 50's this would probably have been the case but nowadays free software is seen as the free (in beer as well as speech) alternative to products from those same companies which like to push all sorts of politicised drivel which the typical American right-winger is outright allergic to. When 'big tech' is in cahoots with the "democratic" party and allows their products to be used to push "democratic" stratagems those products and companies become tainted in the eyes of those who oppose that party and its policies. It is a bit like that Star Wars quote about someone squeezing too hard which makes star systems slip from his grip.
mike_hearn 1y ago
Some of them actually are left wing/progressive, most obviously Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht. Wagenknecht was actually an MP for The Left, whose politics are what you'd imagine. The CDU/CSU have spent years in coalition with the German left, also. The list appears to be simply any party that either opposes unlimited immigration, or the author suspects might not be fully in support of it, regardless of their other positions or history.

Probably people would complain either way, but my opinion is that neither the left nor right political parties are good, and my opinion is also that the license should not make such restrictions like this whether or not you agree with those political parties. Some other people might believe similar things that I had said.

Apreche 1y ago

Hopefully poorly, and rightly so. There is a such thing as right and wrong.

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energywut 1y ago

I'm as far left as you can be. I would say exactly the same thing -- people should be free to associate with who they want, and vend stuff to who they want. I've seen this line of argument before, "You wouldn't say this if it was YOUR TEAM" and like, yeah, I would? I have a belief that people should be able to freely associate? Why would it matter if it was left groups or right groups or centrist groups? You have to break out of this "us vs them" notion of politics, it's deeply unhealthy. Parties don't matter, politicians don't matter, policies matter. Be pro/anti- some policy. Who cares what color team has that policy?

bobsmooth 1y ago

Are there any right-wingers writing notable software?

hagbard_c 1y ago
Yes, loads of 'm, why do you ask? In contrast to the author of this product they, just like most left-wingers who write software tend to keep their political opinions to themselves. When the author of SQLite - to stay within the SQL domain - presented the Rule of St. Benedict as their 'Code of Conduct' during the Code of Conduct wars of the second decade of the 21st century many a 'good leftie' complained that that was unacceptable - hence the reticence of those who are not in cahoots with those 'good lefties' to voice their opinion on things political. It is the loudmouths like the author of SQL Workbench who draw attention which gives some people - like you - the impression that all software authors must be 'good lefties'. This is not the case, software is produced by people from all over the political spectrum just like bread is baked by all, music is made by all, houses are built by all. [1][ https://www.sqlite.org/codeofethics.html https://www.sqlite.org/codeofethics.html
- archagon 1y ago
  I would expect the typical American right-winger to be outright allergic to open source “communism.” (Unless they can profit off of it, of course.)
  - hagbard_c 1y ago
    Had free software existed in the 50's this would probably have been the case but nowadays free software is seen as the free (in beer as well as speech) alternative to products from those same companies which like to push all sorts of politicised drivel which the typical American right-winger is outright allergic to. When 'big tech' is in cahoots with the "democratic" party and allows their products to be used to push "democratic" stratagems those products and companies become tainted in the eyes of those who oppose that party and its policies. It is a bit like that Star Wars quote about someone squeezing too hard which makes star systems slip from his grip.

mike_hearn 1y ago

Some of them actually are left wing/progressive, most obviously Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht. Wagenknecht was actually an MP for The Left, whose politics are what you'd imagine. The CDU/CSU have spent years in coalition with the German left, also. The list appears to be simply any party that either opposes unlimited immigration, or the author suspects might not be fully in support of it, regardless of their other positions or history.