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> while AI excels at pattern matching, true innovation—creating entirely new paradigms—remains human. If humans remain in the loop, the promise of AI is broken

by proc0 1y ago

> while AI excels at pattern matching, true innovation—creating entirely new paradigms—remains human. If humans remain in the loop, the promise of AI is broken. The alternative is that AI is still narrow AI and we're just applying it to natural language and parts of software engineering. However the idea that AI is a revolution implies it will take over absolutely everything. If AI keeps improving in the same direction, the prediction is that it will even be innovating and also doing all of the creative and architectural work. Saying there is a middle ground is basically admitting AI is not good enough and we are not on the track that will produce AGI (which is what I think so far).

Terretta 1y ago
> If humans remain in the loop, the promise of AI is broken. In any craft, if assistants remain in the loop, the promise of mastery is broken. Or is it? In the contemporary art world, artists and their workshops enjoy a remarkably symbiotic relationship. ... It can be difficult, however, from our contemporary perspective to reconcile the group mentality of workshop practice with the pervasive characterization of individual artistic talent. This enduring belief in the singular “genius” of artists ... is a construct slowly being dismantled through scholarly probing of the origins and functions of the renaissance workshop. The modern engineer would do well to model after Raphael: Soon after he arrived in Rome, Raphael established a vibrant network of artists* who were able to channel his “brand” and thereby meet (or at the very least, attempt to meet) the extraordinary demand for his work. https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/renaissance-reformation/early-renaissance1/beginners-renaissance-florence/a/the-role-of-the-workshop-in-italian-renaissance-art https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/renaissance-reformati... * read: agents
- proc0 1y ago
  The difference here is that there wouldn't even be a need for Raphael, at least if all the projections are right as to where AI is going. Replacing humans with other humans is one thing. Replacing humans with machines is on a completely different level. Anyone that says we will work along AI has not thought this through. In contrast to the industrial revolution where machines are doing things that humans are not capable of, i.e. lifting heavy things, bending and shaping steel, mixing tons of cement, etc., AI is taking over what makes humans unique as a species: our cognitive abilities. Of course, all of this hinges on whether AI will reach this level of reasoning and cognition, which right now is not certain. LLMs did scale up to have impressive and surprising abilities, but it's not clear if more scaling will produce actually intelligent agents that can correct themselves and have reliable output. Not to mention the compute cost which is orders of magnitude more than the human brain and will be a huge limitation.
kriro 1y ago
When I was teaching my first AI 101 class (must have been around 2010) I ended the first lecture with a reading assignment of "Man–Computer Symbiosis" by J.C.R. Licklider and asked the students to discuss if the future will be all AI or AI assistants. I still recommend this paper today and personally think if there's a path to AGI there will be a longish period of symbiosis before and not just a paradigm shift overnight.

by proc0 1y ago

Terretta 1y ago

> If humans remain in the loop, the promise of AI is broken. In any craft, if assistants remain in the loop, the promise of mastery is broken. Or is it? In the contemporary art world, artists and their workshops enjoy a remarkably symbiotic relationship. ... It can be difficult, however, from our contemporary perspective to reconcile the group mentality of workshop practice with the pervasive characterization of individual artistic talent. This enduring belief in the singular “genius” of artists ... is a construct slowly being dismantled through scholarly probing of the origins and functions of the renaissance workshop. The modern engineer would do well to model after Raphael: Soon after he arrived in Rome, Raphael established a vibrant network of artists* who were able to channel his “brand” and thereby meet (or at the very least, attempt to meet) the extraordinary demand for his work. https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/renaissance-reformation/early-renaissance1/beginners-renaissance-florence/a/the-role-of-the-workshop-in-italian-renaissance-art https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/renaissance-reformati... * read: agents

proc0 1y ago
The difference here is that there wouldn't even be a need for Raphael, at least if all the projections are right as to where AI is going. Replacing humans with other humans is one thing. Replacing humans with machines is on a completely different level. Anyone that says we will work along AI has not thought this through. In contrast to the industrial revolution where machines are doing things that humans are not capable of, i.e. lifting heavy things, bending and shaping steel, mixing tons of cement, etc., AI is taking over what makes humans unique as a species: our cognitive abilities. Of course, all of this hinges on whether AI will reach this level of reasoning and cognition, which right now is not certain. LLMs did scale up to have impressive and surprising abilities, but it's not clear if more scaling will produce actually intelligent agents that can correct themselves and have reliable output. Not to mention the compute cost which is orders of magnitude more than the human brain and will be a huge limitation.

kriro 1y ago

When I was teaching my first AI 101 class (must have been around 2010) I ended the first lecture with a reading assignment of "Man–Computer Symbiosis" by J.C.R. Licklider and asked the students to discuss if the future will be all AI or AI assistants. I still recommend this paper today and personally think if there's a path to AGI there will be a longish period of symbiosis before and not just a paradigm shift overnight.