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That video was not FSD, but an old version of “driver assist”. Given how quickly things are changing, I don’t think it’s useful to say iPhones are crap and alw

That video was not FSD, but an old version of “driver assist”. Given how quickly things are changing, I don’t think it’s useful to say iPhones are crap and always will be because you just got a 6 running super old iOS.

ModernMech 1y ago
No, FSD suffers the same problem, because it has the same insufficient sensor stack. I already debunked that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43614273 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43614273 Things are not changing rapidly, this has been a failure mode on Teslas for almost a decade; it's been a problem at least since 2016 when Joshua Brown was decapitated by his Tesla running on AP. People keep saying "no, that was the last version. The new software/hardware version fixes it", but the looney tunes test demonstrates Tesla's sensor stack continues to be fundamentally insufficient. And this is why: https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-autopilot-engineers-radar-removal/ https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-... Musk thinks he knows better than his engineers how to solve this. And no, I don't consider Musk to be an engineer, he's a showman.
- enslavedrobot 1y ago
  The link to your earlier post shows a HW3 car. If you keep watching the video it shows a second HW4 car stopping before the painted wall. This is literally the definition of progress. Tesla is currently developing HW5 which has 10x the inference capability of HW3. More progress.
  - ModernMech 1y ago
    You call this progress? https://electrek.co/2025/05/23/tesla-full-self-driving-veers-off-road-flips-car-scary-crash-driver-couldnt-prevent/ https://electrek.co/2025/05/23/tesla-full-self-driving-veers... My chin split open, and I had to get 7 stitches. After the impact, I was hanging upside down watching blood drip down to the glass sun roof, not knowing where I was bleeding from. I unbuckled my seatbelt and sat on the fabric interior in the middle of the two front seats, and saw that my phone’s crash detection went off and told me the first responders were on their way. My whole body was in shock from the incident. Wally said he was on Tesla FSD v13.2.8 on Hardware 4, Tesla’s latest FSD technology. He requested that Tesla send him the data from his car to better understand what happened. This is not progress, these cars should not be on the road, they are a menace to society. I would never put my life or my family's lives in the hands of Tesla hardware and software. But let me guess, it'll be fixed in HW5, sure. We all just have to be the beta testers.
    - enslavedrobot 1y ago
      Lol. Don't bother defending your initial blatant lie, just move on to another one. The crash report shows that, prior to the car veering off the road, 2NM of torque was applied to the steering wheel disengaging FSD and that the turning force was applied until the car crashed. The brake was never pressed. This person is just too embarrassed to admit they fell asleep at the wheel and the weight of their hand disengaged FSD. This could easily be cleared up if he showed the driver facing camera the car records in a crash.... But something tells me he won't do that. You don't fact check things very well. That's two blatant falsehoods you've swallowed. What else are you wrong about.
      - Spooky23 1y ago
        Well if you applied Tesla’s rationalization for their failures, if the driver fell asleep before the crash, it clearly wasn’t his fault as he wasn’t in control.
      - ModernMech 1y ago
        How is what I said a lie?? My initial post said: "they can't be programmed to not do things, like not run though a picture of a road like Wile E Coyote." Then someone said: "That video was not FSD, but an old version of “driver assist”." Then I linked a video showing that in fact FSD was driving through the wall. Obviously if you have to upgrade the hardware to not run through the wall, then they can't program their current cars to not do so. Because, as I've said since the beginning: their sensors stack is insufficient. And that's the standard line with Tesla fans is constantly shifting the goal posts. It was supposed to be the case that in 2016, all Teslas sold would be equipped with hardware capable of self driving, because Elon told us that cameras were enough. And yet, they have required hardware refresh after hardware refresh after hardware refresh (now on V5) because he's been wrong time and time again. Because cameras aren't enough. And what is this progress you speak of? Just special casing edge cases while leaving fundamentally flawed hardware and software on the road. Now it's 2025 and maybe finally HW5 will bring it? I guess we'll have to see because nothing Elon says can be trusted as fact. > This person is just too embarrassed to admit they fell asleep at the wheel and the weight of their hand disengaged FSD Ah yes, a driverless system that actually doesn't prevent you from crashing because you fell asleep. I don't know why you feel this alternative take makes Tesla's product look any better. Such progress. Much driverless. It's like a sailboat that sinks instead of floating.

ModernMech 1y ago

No, FSD suffers the same problem, because it has the same insufficient sensor stack. I already debunked that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43614273 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43614273 Things are not changing rapidly, this has been a failure mode on Teslas for almost a decade; it's been a problem at least since 2016 when Joshua Brown was decapitated by his Tesla running on AP. People keep saying "no, that was the last version. The new software/hardware version fixes it", but the looney tunes test demonstrates Tesla's sensor stack continues to be fundamentally insufficient. And this is why: https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-autopilot-engineers-radar-removal/ https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-... Musk thinks he knows better than his engineers how to solve this. And no, I don't consider Musk to be an engineer, he's a showman.

enslavedrobot 1y ago
The link to your earlier post shows a HW3 car. If you keep watching the video it shows a second HW4 car stopping before the painted wall. This is literally the definition of progress. Tesla is currently developing HW5 which has 10x the inference capability of HW3. More progress.
- ModernMech 1y ago
  You call this progress? https://electrek.co/2025/05/23/tesla-full-self-driving-veers-off-road-flips-car-scary-crash-driver-couldnt-prevent/ https://electrek.co/2025/05/23/tesla-full-self-driving-veers... My chin split open, and I had to get 7 stitches. After the impact, I was hanging upside down watching blood drip down to the glass sun roof, not knowing where I was bleeding from. I unbuckled my seatbelt and sat on the fabric interior in the middle of the two front seats, and saw that my phone’s crash detection went off and told me the first responders were on their way. My whole body was in shock from the incident. Wally said he was on Tesla FSD v13.2.8 on Hardware 4, Tesla’s latest FSD technology. He requested that Tesla send him the data from his car to better understand what happened. This is not progress, these cars should not be on the road, they are a menace to society. I would never put my life or my family's lives in the hands of Tesla hardware and software. But let me guess, it'll be fixed in HW5, sure. We all just have to be the beta testers.
  - enslavedrobot 1y ago
    Lol. Don't bother defending your initial blatant lie, just move on to another one. The crash report shows that, prior to the car veering off the road, 2NM of torque was applied to the steering wheel disengaging FSD and that the turning force was applied until the car crashed. The brake was never pressed. This person is just too embarrassed to admit they fell asleep at the wheel and the weight of their hand disengaged FSD. This could easily be cleared up if he showed the driver facing camera the car records in a crash.... But something tells me he won't do that. You don't fact check things very well. That's two blatant falsehoods you've swallowed. What else are you wrong about.
    - Spooky23 1y ago
      Well if you applied Tesla’s rationalization for their failures, if the driver fell asleep before the crash, it clearly wasn’t his fault as he wasn’t in control.
    - ModernMech 1y ago
      How is what I said a lie?? My initial post said: "they can't be programmed to not do things, like not run though a picture of a road like Wile E Coyote." Then someone said: "That video was not FSD, but an old version of “driver assist”." Then I linked a video showing that in fact FSD was driving through the wall. Obviously if you have to upgrade the hardware to not run through the wall, then they can't program their current cars to not do so. Because, as I've said since the beginning: their sensors stack is insufficient. And that's the standard line with Tesla fans is constantly shifting the goal posts. It was supposed to be the case that in 2016, all Teslas sold would be equipped with hardware capable of self driving, because Elon told us that cameras were enough. And yet, they have required hardware refresh after hardware refresh after hardware refresh (now on V5) because he's been wrong time and time again. Because cameras aren't enough. And what is this progress you speak of? Just special casing edge cases while leaving fundamentally flawed hardware and software on the road. Now it's 2025 and maybe finally HW5 will bring it? I guess we'll have to see because nothing Elon says can be trusted as fact. > This person is just too embarrassed to admit they fell asleep at the wheel and the weight of their hand disengaged FSD Ah yes, a driverless system that actually doesn't prevent you from crashing because you fell asleep. I don't know why you feel this alternative take makes Tesla's product look any better. Such progress. Much driverless. It's like a sailboat that sinks instead of floating.