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If you ever do get around to reading the new testament, you'll find that Jesus is obviously more of a collectivist than a capitalist. Jesus "radicalized" me. Yo

by dfxm12 1y ago

If you ever do get around to reading the new testament, you'll find that Jesus is obviously more of a collectivist than a capitalist. Jesus "radicalized" me. You can try and delay this realization by arguing over the minutiae of what exactly socialism is and if Jesus would agree with Marx on every little thing, but that, and also failing to practice what he preached doesn't change Jesus' obvious message that hoarding wealth, consolidating power, othering people, etc., is not a path to heaven.

guywithahat 1y ago
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- AngryData 1y ago
  As the devil's advocate, who exactly enacted socialist policies outside of singular goods or for any length of time? And how often was that socialist government actually run by workers or worker collectives, rather than an authoritarian or handful of oligarchs using "socialism" as the excuse for all their arbitrary decisions? For as much as people talk and argue about socialism both for and against, I haven't seen very much actual implementation of socialist ideas or principles in history outside of meaningless PR statements.
hinkley 1y ago
Throwing down moneylenders tables in the temple is pretty unambiguous. How many times did Jesus show violence or aggression? That’s the only one I can think of really. Though he did throw out some wicked burns a time or two.
- freedomben 1y ago
  > How many times did Jesus show violence or aggression? That’s the only one I can think of really. I think you might be forgetting about the bulk of the Old Testament
  - meetingthrower 1y ago
    Pre-JC...
    - freedomben 1y ago
      > 1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. He was in the beginning with God. 3. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (John 1:1-3) > I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8). > And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment” (Revelation 21:6). > “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end” (Revelation 22:13).
  - acdha 1y ago
    Jesus is a New Testament figure and very explicitly broke with the past in key ways. This is why his followers are not required to keep kosher, commit genocide, or abstain from having tattoos or mixed fiber clothing.
    - freedomben 1y ago
      No, they're not required to keep kosher, commit genocide, or abstain from having tattoos or mixed fiber clothing because he fulfilled the law, not because he replaced it[1]. Furthermore Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, at least if you accept the New Testament as scripture[2]. [1]: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." --Matthew 5:17 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44130537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44130537
      - acdha 1y ago
        Your first paragraph is repeating my point: Christians are not bound by the same rules as the Jews in the Old Testament. As for the second, you’re leaving out the last couple of millennia of Christians debating the exact nature of God and fissuring into different groups over the details. Most variants recognize some difference between the OT and NT gods, however, because you have to explain the difference in their actions and instructions.

by dfxm12 1y ago

guywithahat 1y ago

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AngryData 1y ago
As the devil's advocate, who exactly enacted socialist policies outside of singular goods or for any length of time? And how often was that socialist government actually run by workers or worker collectives, rather than an authoritarian or handful of oligarchs using "socialism" as the excuse for all their arbitrary decisions? For as much as people talk and argue about socialism both for and against, I haven't seen very much actual implementation of socialist ideas or principles in history outside of meaningless PR statements.

hinkley 1y ago

Throwing down moneylenders tables in the temple is pretty unambiguous. How many times did Jesus show violence or aggression? That’s the only one I can think of really. Though he did throw out some wicked burns a time or two.

freedomben 1y ago
> How many times did Jesus show violence or aggression? That’s the only one I can think of really. I think you might be forgetting about the bulk of the Old Testament
- meetingthrower 1y ago
  Pre-JC...
  - freedomben 1y ago
    > 1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. He was in the beginning with God. 3. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (John 1:1-3) > I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8). > And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment” (Revelation 21:6). > “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end” (Revelation 22:13).
- acdha 1y ago
  Jesus is a New Testament figure and very explicitly broke with the past in key ways. This is why his followers are not required to keep kosher, commit genocide, or abstain from having tattoos or mixed fiber clothing.
  - freedomben 1y ago
    No, they're not required to keep kosher, commit genocide, or abstain from having tattoos or mixed fiber clothing because he fulfilled the law, not because he replaced it[1]. Furthermore Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, at least if you accept the New Testament as scripture[2]. [1]: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." --Matthew 5:17 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44130537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44130537
    - acdha 1y ago
      Your first paragraph is repeating my point: Christians are not bound by the same rules as the Jews in the Old Testament. As for the second, you’re leaving out the last couple of millennia of Christians debating the exact nature of God and fissuring into different groups over the details. Most variants recognize some difference between the OT and NT gods, however, because you have to explain the difference in their actions and instructions.