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That’s some really solid PR work on his part if true, but if he is scaling (pun intended) tours that actually do manage to summit Everest in significantly decre

That’s some really solid PR work on his part if true, but if he is scaling (pun intended) tours that actually do manage to summit Everest in significantly decreased time, I would say that it’s strong evidence that Xenon actually works and the science just hasn’t caught up to it yet. Unless he has found some other clever way that he is for some reason pretending is Xenon.

RajT88 1y ago
> Unless he has found some other clever way that he is for some reason pretending is Xenon. Meth. It's meth.
- Hilift 1y ago
  In the 1991 film K2, Michael Biehn's character used an epinephrine (adrenaline) auto-injector (in his neck), which had recently been marketed and was seen by some wealthy as a booster. This actually increases risk for arrhythmia and makes pulmonary edema worse, so ironically meth would be a preferred booster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine_autoinjector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine_autoinjector https://www.outsideonline.com/health/training-performance/could-i-use-epipen-boost-my-performance/ https://www.outsideonline.com/health/training-performance/co...
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Aurornis 1y ago
> I would say that it’s strong evidence that Xenon actually works The only evidence is the claims from the person selling the expensive five-figure Everest packages. It’s the very definition of a conflict of interest. They also use multiple treatments, not just Xenon. The hikers sleep in hypobaric chambers. Another comment said they used supplemental oxygen but were hiding details about how much. There is no evidence or even head-to-head testing here. It’s all claims that come from one person, who is also trying to sell the treatment.
- mattmaroon 1y ago
  But are people repeatedly getting up the mountain in much less time? If so, it really doesn’t matter if it’s because of one particular substance or another, and if not, it would be pretty easy to determine it is fake, right? If something normally takes two weeks and some guy claims his novel method gets you up there in one, it’s at least easy to verify whether his novel method actually does do it.
toss1 1y ago
He is primarily selling the Placebo Effect. All kinds of fancy "research" and "reasons" it will work, and the marks\\\\customers put in a financial and emotional investment in it working, so expect it to work. Seems just about how placebos work best
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- mattmaroon 1y ago
  This is more of a Dumbo’s feather than a placebo effect, but in either case, it’s hard to imagine he is getting people up the mountain in significantly the last time with it.

RajT88 1y ago

> Unless he has found some other clever way that he is for some reason pretending is Xenon. Meth. It's meth.

Hilift 1y ago
In the 1991 film K2, Michael Biehn's character used an epinephrine (adrenaline) auto-injector (in his neck), which had recently been marketed and was seen by some wealthy as a booster. This actually increases risk for arrhythmia and makes pulmonary edema worse, so ironically meth would be a preferred booster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine_autoinjector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine_autoinjector https://www.outsideonline.com/health/training-performance/could-i-use-epipen-boost-my-performance/ https://www.outsideonline.com/health/training-performance/co...

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Aurornis 1y ago

> I would say that it’s strong evidence that Xenon actually works The only evidence is the claims from the person selling the expensive five-figure Everest packages. It’s the very definition of a conflict of interest. They also use multiple treatments, not just Xenon. The hikers sleep in hypobaric chambers. Another comment said they used supplemental oxygen but were hiding details about how much. There is no evidence or even head-to-head testing here. It’s all claims that come from one person, who is also trying to sell the treatment.

mattmaroon 1y ago
But are people repeatedly getting up the mountain in much less time? If so, it really doesn’t matter if it’s because of one particular substance or another, and if not, it would be pretty easy to determine it is fake, right? If something normally takes two weeks and some guy claims his novel method gets you up there in one, it’s at least easy to verify whether his novel method actually does do it.

toss1 1y ago

He is primarily selling the Placebo Effect. All kinds of fancy "research" and "reasons" it will work, and the marks\\\\customers put in a financial and emotional investment in it working, so expect it to work. Seems just about how placebos work best

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mattmaroon 1y ago
This is more of a Dumbo’s feather than a placebo effect, but in either case, it’s hard to imagine he is getting people up the mountain in significantly the last time with it.