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Xenon is used by athletes to increase their endogenous erythropoietin production. As it's a noble gas, it leaves no trace in their body, so post-hoc detection o
by meindnoch 1y ago
Xenon is used by athletes to increase their endogenous erythropoietin production. As it's a noble gas, it leaves no trace in their body, so post-hoc detection of this doping method is impossible.
But as a recreational climber, why bother with xenon? Just inject EPO.
- _joel 1y agoBreathing in an inert gas is easier and much safer than injecting something into your body.
- timschmidt 1y agoXenon acts like an anesthetic so it's possible to OD on.
- robertlagrant 1y agoTrue, but they did it ahead of time in a controlled way.
- nssnsjsjsjs 1y agoIn a hospital with an anaesthesiologist?
- pixl97 1y agoAnesthetic gasses are applied in a lot of environments outside of hospitals.
- robertlagrant 1y ago> In a hospital with an anaesthesiologist? Well, from the article: > The men wore masks hooked up to ventilators as an anesthesiologist slowly introduced higher levels of xenon into their systems. The doctor named in the article seems to be[0] the head of the Department of Anesthesiology at Limburg hospital. [0] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael-Fries-3 https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael-Fries-3
- CGMthrowaway 1y agoEpo injections are safe and effective, and side effects are very rare and usually mild
- meindnoch 1y agoCasually breathing in an anaesthetic gas for prolonged periods is easier and much safer than injecting a widely used medicine? Are you out of your mind?
- alariccole 1y agoIt’s inert, how bad could it be? /s
- dtech 1y agoI guess it feels different to people to stimulate their bodies production of a hormone rather than injecting it.
- jppittma 1y agoWhy not both? Also detection?!? That’s crazy. Everybody should be doing this. The raison d’etre for these sorts of bans is their perceived negative health consequences. You almost certainly safer using whatever PED you can get your hands on if you’re trying to climb Everest.
- Lio 1y ago> Why not both? Because if you can inject EPO then you don't need xenon. With EPO you can generate as many red blood cells your body can handle.
- TheCondor 1y agoIncluding too much, people have died from this. The point remains though, this is recreation so why not just hire Dr Ferrari and take cera or epo
- fiftyacorn 1y agoMore recently it was CO use to simulate altitude training
- pixl97 1y agoHmm, that sounds like it could go bad easily.
- lm28469 1y ago> why bother with xenon? Just inject EPO. As a recreational anything I'd say avoid wrecking your body to make some arbitrary numbers nobody will ever care about go up (or down)
- 15155 1y ago> As a recreational anything Most recreational activities don't come with an existing risk of death: PEDs likely reduce this relative risk in many riskier physical endeavors.
- hermitcrab 1y agoGiven that the odds of dying on Everest are so high, a bit of ill-advised drug use seems like a minor concern.
- lesuorac 1y agoAre they? I thought nowadays the sherpas practically carry you up there so it's of low risk to you. Both wikipedia [1] and an expedition company [2] seem to put the deaths per year as <10 with it being dominated by people from Nepal who are presumably the sherpas doing all the work. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_climbing_Mount_Everest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_climbi... [2]: https://www.climbing-kilimanjaro.com/mount-everest-deaths/ https://www.climbing-kilimanjaro.com/mount-everest-deaths/
- hermitcrab 1y ago"The percentage of deaths to successful attempts is around 4%." 4% chance of death sounds very high to me.
- lesuorac 1y agoI mean, pick a dangerous surgery with a high death %. It's still safe to be the surgeon in that case. The people dieing are by far the sherpas which you aren't one of.