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> Ecosystem, people keep forgetting syntax, grammar and standard library isn't everything. Ecosystem means nothing if you have comparable or even better altern

> Ecosystem, people keep forgetting syntax, grammar and standard library isn't everything. Ecosystem means nothing if you have comparable or even better alternatives in a framework of choice. Also, it's not like the likes of Python don't have their warts. Anyone with a cursory experience with Python is aware of all the multiplatform gotchas it has with basic things like file handing.

mattmanser 1y ago
For me, every time I have to use python it's the package handling that leaves my head spinning. It still feels like the bad old days of npm. I think it's a popular language with scientists despite that because they don't have to care about portability, reproducability or needing your replacement to be able to run it without ever speaking to you. I use python infrequently enough that every time it's a pain point.
- mardifoufs 1y ago
  Not sure I follow. I wish python was as good as npm/node_modules. And how is nuget better than npm? Is it just package quality or something else? I rarely use npm and I'm not a webdev but whenever I use it I think it's pretty great.
  - mattmanser 1y ago
    When I said "bad old days" I mean a previous iteration, not the state today. I'm talking about the early days of npm. In the early days of npm a lot of install examples would do global installs, you'd often end up with a confusing mess in npm. Nowadays people are much better at only doing project level installs and even correctly telling you whether to have it as a dev dependency or not.
    - mardifoufs 1y ago
      Ah sorry that makes sense!! Yeah, that's exactly what how I feel too. It's sad that npm has improved so much while Python's packaging hasn't (not by default at least, whereas npm is basically a default in js projects by now), in the same time frame.
pjmlp 1y ago
If you work alone, maybe. Some of us have to take other devs into consideration. Human collaboration is also part of the ecosystem.

mattmanser 1y ago

For me, every time I have to use python it's the package handling that leaves my head spinning. It still feels like the bad old days of npm. I think it's a popular language with scientists despite that because they don't have to care about portability, reproducability or needing your replacement to be able to run it without ever speaking to you. I use python infrequently enough that every time it's a pain point.

mardifoufs 1y ago
Not sure I follow. I wish python was as good as npm/node_modules. And how is nuget better than npm? Is it just package quality or something else? I rarely use npm and I'm not a webdev but whenever I use it I think it's pretty great.
- mattmanser 1y ago
  When I said "bad old days" I mean a previous iteration, not the state today. I'm talking about the early days of npm. In the early days of npm a lot of install examples would do global installs, you'd often end up with a confusing mess in npm. Nowadays people are much better at only doing project level installs and even correctly telling you whether to have it as a dev dependency or not.
  - mardifoufs 1y ago
    Ah sorry that makes sense!! Yeah, that's exactly what how I feel too. It's sad that npm has improved so much while Python's packaging hasn't (not by default at least, whereas npm is basically a default in js projects by now), in the same time frame.

pjmlp 1y ago

If you work alone, maybe. Some of us have to take other devs into consideration. Human collaboration is also part of the ecosystem.