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It’s always a good moment to remember that it must still be proven that ice creams are not good for your health. The nutritionists who have tried to prove that

It’s always a good moment to remember that it must still be proven that ice creams are not good for your health. The nutritionists who have tried to prove that evident theory have all admitted that the health benefits of the ice cream are akin to those of the yogurt. Edit: even though, I’m avoiding emulsifiers like e-471, e-472 and so on. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35562705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35562705

nartho 1y ago
I believe that excess sugar would be the issue, Yogurt contains no sugar
- create-username 1y ago
  Yes. Maybe eaten sugar is less harmful than drinking it. That’s what the latest evidence suggests
  - nartho 1y ago
    In the case of ice cream, do you really eat it or drink it though ?
- themadturk 1y ago
  Depends on the yogurt. Many commercial yogurts in the US have added sugar.
  - GJim 1y ago
    Somehow, Americans adding sugar to yogurt doesn't surprise me.
n2d4 1y ago
> The nutritionists who have tried to prove that evident theory have all admitted that the health benefits of the ice cream are akin to those of the yogurt. That doesn't sound like they "admitted" to anything. It can at the same time have the health benefits of yogurt, and be bad for you. In the particular case of ice cream, what makes you think it's healthy despite the high calorie and sugar content? All I could find was a study from 2018 [0], which specifically investigated diabetes 2 patients (who are very conscious about their sugar intake) and didn't control for the rest of their diet. Any claim that the amounts of sugar in ice cream are net beneficial for you will need extraordinary amounts of evidence. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/ice-cream-bad-for-you-health-study/673487/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/ice-cre...
- create-username 1y ago
  *Rethinking evidence from BYU researchers adds nuance to that message, suggesting not all sugar sources carry the same risk. In the largest and most comprehensive meta-analysis of its kind, BYU researchers—in collaboration with researchers from Germany-based institutions—found that the type and source of sugar may matter far more than previously thought. Researchers analyzed data from over half a million people across multiple continents, revealing a surprising twist: sugar consumed through beverages—like soda and even fruit juice—was consistently linked to a higher risk of developing type 2 diabetes (T2D). Meanwhile, other sugar sources showed no such link and, in some cases, were even associated with a lower risk. “This is the first study to draw clear dose-response relationships between different sugar sources and type 2 diabetes risk,” said Karen Della Corte, lead author and BYU nutritional science professor. “It highlights why drinking your sugar—whether from soda or juice—is more problematic for health than eating it.” https://news.byu.edu/intellect/rethinking-sugar-byu-study-shows-food-source-is-key-to-understanding-diabetes-risk https://news.byu.edu/intellect/rethinking-sugar-byu-study-sh...
  - n2d4 1y ago
    This is pretty well-accepted as far as I'm aware — but I don't think anyone has sufficiently shown that the sugar in ice cream is less risky than sugar in, say, fruits or yogurt (which often has 5-10x less!) AFAIK, the leading theory is also that this is because fruits have other ingredients that help process the sugar — whereas ultra-processed food like ice cream doesn't, especially if there are added sugars. You can't just freeze a soda, eat it, and then expect it to be healthy.
    - crazygringo 1y ago
      Fruits mostly have much less sugar period, it's not really other ingredients that help process it. (Unless you over-ingest them by juicing, in which case OJ can be just as bad as Coke.) And yogurt is often full of just as much sugar as ice cream. The main theory around why ice cream doesn't show the negative effects is that the sugar is mostly trapped in a fat matrix that takes a long time to break apart and therefore to digest and release the sugars. So there's very little harmful sugar spike in the blood, and the carb intake surprisingly becomes more akin to e.g. slow-digesting unprocessed whole grains (obviously without benefits of fiber or other whole-grain nutrients). Of course it's also very different if we're talking about plain chocolate ice cream, vs filled with ribbons of caramel and chocolate-coated candy pieces, which will produce sugar spikes. And of course it's also not accounting for overeating, ice cream or not. If you eat calories you don't need, it's going to make you fat no matter whether it's ice cream or something else.
xboxnolifes 1y ago
No normal person is eating ice cream for health benefits.
- wmil 1y ago
  No but in a world of 400 calorie muffins and 700 calorie boba teas it's easy to argue that ice cream is getting a bad rap.
- create-username 1y ago
  I do. And I make my own pistachio ice cream with eggs. It’s basically a “crème brûlée” with milk cream so my kid gets to eat eggs, which are essential for your health

nartho 1y ago

I believe that excess sugar would be the issue, Yogurt contains no sugar

create-username 1y ago
Yes. Maybe eaten sugar is less harmful than drinking it. That’s what the latest evidence suggests
- nartho 1y ago
  In the case of ice cream, do you really eat it or drink it though ?
themadturk 1y ago
Depends on the yogurt. Many commercial yogurts in the US have added sugar.
- GJim 1y ago
  Somehow, Americans adding sugar to yogurt doesn't surprise me.

n2d4 1y ago

> The nutritionists who have tried to prove that evident theory have all admitted that the health benefits of the ice cream are akin to those of the yogurt. That doesn't sound like they "admitted" to anything. It can at the same time have the health benefits of yogurt, and be bad for you. In the particular case of ice cream, what makes you think it's healthy despite the high calorie and sugar content? All I could find was a study from 2018 [0], which specifically investigated diabetes 2 patients (who are very conscious about their sugar intake) and didn't control for the rest of their diet. Any claim that the amounts of sugar in ice cream are net beneficial for you will need extraordinary amounts of evidence. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/ice-cream-bad-for-you-health-study/673487/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/ice-cre...

create-username 1y ago
*Rethinking evidence from BYU researchers adds nuance to that message, suggesting not all sugar sources carry the same risk. In the largest and most comprehensive meta-analysis of its kind, BYU researchers—in collaboration with researchers from Germany-based institutions—found that the type and source of sugar may matter far more than previously thought. Researchers analyzed data from over half a million people across multiple continents, revealing a surprising twist: sugar consumed through beverages—like soda and even fruit juice—was consistently linked to a higher risk of developing type 2 diabetes (T2D). Meanwhile, other sugar sources showed no such link and, in some cases, were even associated with a lower risk. “This is the first study to draw clear dose-response relationships between different sugar sources and type 2 diabetes risk,” said Karen Della Corte, lead author and BYU nutritional science professor. “It highlights why drinking your sugar—whether from soda or juice—is more problematic for health than eating it.” https://news.byu.edu/intellect/rethinking-sugar-byu-study-shows-food-source-is-key-to-understanding-diabetes-risk https://news.byu.edu/intellect/rethinking-sugar-byu-study-sh...
- n2d4 1y ago
  This is pretty well-accepted as far as I'm aware — but I don't think anyone has sufficiently shown that the sugar in ice cream is less risky than sugar in, say, fruits or yogurt (which often has 5-10x less!) AFAIK, the leading theory is also that this is because fruits have other ingredients that help process the sugar — whereas ultra-processed food like ice cream doesn't, especially if there are added sugars. You can't just freeze a soda, eat it, and then expect it to be healthy.
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    Fruits mostly have much less sugar period, it's not really other ingredients that help process it. (Unless you over-ingest them by juicing, in which case OJ can be just as bad as Coke.) And yogurt is often full of just as much sugar as ice cream. The main theory around why ice cream doesn't show the negative effects is that the sugar is mostly trapped in a fat matrix that takes a long time to break apart and therefore to digest and release the sugars. So there's very little harmful sugar spike in the blood, and the carb intake surprisingly becomes more akin to e.g. slow-digesting unprocessed whole grains (obviously without benefits of fiber or other whole-grain nutrients). Of course it's also very different if we're talking about plain chocolate ice cream, vs filled with ribbons of caramel and chocolate-coated candy pieces, which will produce sugar spikes. And of course it's also not accounting for overeating, ice cream or not. If you eat calories you don't need, it's going to make you fat no matter whether it's ice cream or something else.

xboxnolifes 1y ago

No normal person is eating ice cream for health benefits.

wmil 1y ago
No but in a world of 400 calorie muffins and 700 calorie boba teas it's easy to argue that ice cream is getting a bad rap.
create-username 1y ago
I do. And I make my own pistachio ice cream with eggs. It’s basically a “crème brûlée” with milk cream so my kid gets to eat eggs, which are essential for your health