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They're also the kids that are least likely to improve despite any number of things that might happen in the school, including basically unlimited educational f

They're also the kids that are least likely to improve despite any number of things that might happen in the school, including basically unlimited educational funding. The solution to improving the outcomes for these kids doesn't start at school, it has to start at home.

bsder 1y ago
> They're also the kids that are least likely to improve despite any number of things that might happen in the school, including basically unlimited educational funding. This is not true. The Gates Foundation, whom I generally dislike quite intensely for being busybody carpetbaggers who muck things up and disappear, documented this all very well. 2 teachers and 15 students per class works. Period. Every single program that did this showed significant improvements with the most improvement in the lowest performers. The biggest problem, of course, is that when you ask for money for 2 teachers per 15 students everybody loses their minds (except the rich, of course, who understand the correlation perfectly). Every single one of the programs that the Gates Foundation documented as working were eventually shut down because of lack of funding. People only say they want better education. Their actions say otherwise.
- nothercastle 1y ago
  You can’t even get this at a 20k a year private school. They still do 20 kids and 1 teacher. You probably won’t see this till the 50-60k level
  - no_wizard 1y ago
    You say this like it would be a bad thing for us to seriously consider as a nation suitably aligning our schools with more funding to provide would be unachievable. The US is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, we can figure this out.
  - bsder 1y ago
    Only because "profit" is in the way. $20K a year with 20 students is $400K per year which is more than enough for two teachers and the infrastructure and then some. While this is fine in elementary and early middle school (which is where the Gates foudnation documented), this probably breaks down as you enter high school where teachers need to be specialized and you need to have a pool of teachers to cover all subjects.
    - sieabahlpark 1y ago
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bsder 1y ago

> They're also the kids that are least likely to improve despite any number of things that might happen in the school, including basically unlimited educational funding. This is not true. The Gates Foundation, whom I generally dislike quite intensely for being busybody carpetbaggers who muck things up and disappear, documented this all very well. 2 teachers and 15 students per class works. Period. Every single program that did this showed significant improvements with the most improvement in the lowest performers. The biggest problem, of course, is that when you ask for money for 2 teachers per 15 students everybody loses their minds (except the rich, of course, who understand the correlation perfectly). Every single one of the programs that the Gates Foundation documented as working were eventually shut down because of lack of funding. People only say they want better education. Their actions say otherwise.

nothercastle 1y ago
You can’t even get this at a 20k a year private school. They still do 20 kids and 1 teacher. You probably won’t see this till the 50-60k level
- no_wizard 1y ago
  You say this like it would be a bad thing for us to seriously consider as a nation suitably aligning our schools with more funding to provide would be unachievable. The US is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, we can figure this out.
- bsder 1y ago
  Only because "profit" is in the way. $20K a year with 20 students is $400K per year which is more than enough for two teachers and the infrastructure and then some. While this is fine in elementary and early middle school (which is where the Gates foudnation documented), this probably breaks down as you enter high school where teachers need to be specialized and you need to have a pool of teachers to cover all subjects.
  - sieabahlpark 1y ago
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