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Americans replaced alcohol with sweets, generally. There's a reason a huge fraction of the modern candies and confections either got their start or took on the
by potato3732842 1y ago
Americans replaced alcohol with sweets, generally. There's a reason a huge fraction of the modern candies and confections either got their start or took on their modern forms during this era. Prohibition is probably single handedly responsible for more of the "processed sweet junk" in the American diet than any other singular policy. It really is the gift that keeps on giving.
That said, ice cream is aa highly underrated dessert and I have a hard time thinking of a better item to have available on un-air conditioned ships in a tropical environment, absolutely on par with a cold beer.
- cco 1y agoI refer to this as "hedonic exchange", the idea that there is a base rate of hedonic drive that animals tend to satisfy and that this drive is mostly fungible. You see this in the data for smoking as well, as smoking decreases, you tend to see caloric intake and obesity rise at the population level.
- nemomarx 1y agosome of that could be nicotine appetite suppression, right?
- Reasoning 1y ago> You see this in the data for smoking as well, as smoking decreases, you tend to see caloric intake and obesity rise at the population level. Nicotine is an appetite suppressor so that relationship is probably pretty direct.
- kayodelycaon 1y agoNicotine reduces appetite.
- Spooky23 1y agoIt’s also something to do.
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- timewizard 1y ago> that there is a base rate of hedonic drive I think there's an individual rate. I highly doubt there is a "base rate" for groups overall. I also think environmental factors play a huge part in prevalence.
- losteric 1y agoPerhaps we’re trading different stress/anxiety coping mechanisms?
- keybored 1y agoThat looks like a technical term but (only) you specifically use it?
- asdff 1y agoI see this readily with my cats too. Give them a treat, they gobble it down instantly then look up at you and yell for another one. Next day and they are sitting by the cabinet they saw you put the bag in and yelling for more treats. The most shrill and pitiful yells too. There is zero self control because out in the wild, self control means you don't survive. You eat all the calories that show up in front of you. You can't afford to be choosy. The idea of abundance comes at direct odds with how we are wired in survival settings, and it's no surprise we struggle with obesity as a result. Selection has not factored in the availability of a gas station on every corner full of dopamine hits for a few dollars.
- senkora 1y agoYou might like the book "The Age of Addiction, How Bad Habits Became Big Business" by David T. Courtwright. It talks about substitutability of pleasures, among other things. The most interesting idea that I took from it was the idea of "blending" and "intensifying" of pleasures over time. For example, with alcohol. Initially humans had fermented fruits, then beer and wine, then distilled alcohol. The pleasurable substance was refined over time and the pleasure was intensified. In parallel, humans blended together multiple pleasures at once, for example combining alcohol with milkshakes or making sugary cocktails. The book makes a strong case that this process of refining, intensifying, trading, and blending pleasures has been a constant force throughout civilization, and it applies the same argument to the internet and social media.
- Spooky23 1y agoI’m curious as to the impact of weed. I live in a college town — the bars are empty. Everyone is home sparking up.
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- steviedotboston 1y agoI quit drinking a couple years ago and my ice cream consumption went way up.
- nimbius 1y agothis is definitely not a tradition still practiced. if you want ice cream youd better hope its being served at the chow line (it absolutely isnt, unless youre on a submarine) or youre going to the Nexcom ship store to pick up a knock-off magnum bar in exchange for quite a lot of your real money.
- yamazakiwi 1y agoMy Ship Store only had Yoohoo's, Monster's, and Uniform Items.
- badc0ffee 1y agoI'm wondering who's out there underrating ice cream.
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- Avshalom 1y agoIce cream is, culturally, a things kids eat because they like sugar, not a thing adults savor because it's fucking sublime.
- dylan604 1y agothose are broken adults.
- quesera 1y agoI have never seen an adult disdain ice cream. We just eat the better stuff.
- THroaway225 1y agoactually ice cream sandwiches are known as a "dad thing"
- dylan604 1y agothe lactose intolerant. people with teeth that ache with cold. people concerned about sugar/fat intake. i can think of a lot of people that underrate ice cream. it doesn't make them sane though.
- bluGill 1y agoThere is lactose or sugar free ice cream if you need them
- themadturk 1y agoAs a type-2 diabetic, I pretty much avoid ice cream. Now and then my wife insists on a stop at Dairy Queen, so I do indulge in an ice cream cone the, and she will often give me a spoonful of ice cream at home (Tillamook Oregon Strawberry...yum). Sugar-free ice creams seem to have largely disappeared in the Pacific Northwest. Dreyers or Haagen-Daaz (don't remember which) used to have one or two varieties regularly, but not anymore. Most others are in expensive pint sizes (Ben & Jerry's sized, but even more expensive).
- senkora 1y agoProhibition also had the effect of largely killing off the small breweries started by various immigrant groups in the United States. When it ended, the industry rapidly consolidated around the large-scale industrial breweries which have dominated the market ever since. This is a big reason why the beer industry in America is weird. You have large mass-market brewers on the hand one, and small craft brewers making more creative beers on the other hand, but you don't have many medium-sized brewers making high-quality traditional beers. It's pretty hard to compete with Europe in that segment.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> Prohibition also had the effect of largely killing off the small breweries started by various immigrant groups in the United States Same for wine production. Beringer, Mondavi...these were families who secured sacramental wine contracts from the Church.
- dfxm12 1y agoBooze is regulated unevenly from state to state, which is a weird aspect in America that could make it hard to grow depending on where you are in the country. Outside of that though, I don't think prohibition has too much of the blame as consolidation is the natural conclusion under capitalism. Breweries that get to a certain level get bought out by multinational corporations. I was in Asheville, NC a few years ago. It was kinda funny to me that one mark of fancy restaurants was to boast about their pre-ABInBev Wicked Weed bottle lists (I'm more a fan of Burial Beer either way).
- Spooky23 1y agoIt’s a different time scale. The microbreweries of the 90s were an upstart. In the 70s and early 80s, you probably had a half dozen SKUs account for 90% of volume. My grandfather ran a busy bar in Brooklyn and had like 4 beers on tap. The other thing was post prohibition ABC laws usually gave distributors a lot of power. They had exclusivity agreements and would stuff the channel or segment the market as they saw fit. Grandpa’s bar was Reingold and Schaeffer. Microbrews went crazy in the 90s, and the big brewers bought and created brands to regain share. Then cheap capital led to M&A by bigger fish.
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- keybored 1y agoHigh fructose corn syrup and subsidies? Hm maybe not.
- AStonesThrow 1y agoAs children, we loved to partake of Grandma’s supply of Sen-Sen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sen-Sen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sen-Sen It was much later that I learned that it was one of the powerful breath mints which people often used to cover-up after drinking booze. [Grandma didn't drink! I don't think that Grandpa did, either. Their house never had alcoholic drinks or anything else related.]
- selimthegrim 1y agoThis puts the police chief in the Hardy Boys in a whole new light.
- euroderf 1y agoOK, that explains Sen-Sen. They didn't really seem to be an actual candy.