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Yeah, I'm kind of wondering the same thing. It's certainly the kind of timeframe that changes your perspective. Maybe a tiny bit of Danny Hillis rubbed off on m
by zach 14y ago
Yeah, I'm kind of wondering the same thing. It's certainly the kind of timeframe that changes your perspective. Maybe a tiny bit of Danny Hillis rubbed off on me from working at Applied Minds (man, I sure hope so!)
Because as we answer issues of cost and availability, a logical thing to wonder is "how long can I really depend on it though?" As quickly as cloud services (where "lifetimes" are measured at six years) have entered our economy, that's a question begging to be answered.
Amazon at least seems to be an "eventually durable" datastore, though. Meaning that if you are told in the future that it will go offline, you have an excellent chance to make other suitable arrangements. Say there's a 0.01% chance of this product being discontinued next year, up to a 10% chance 5 years from now. I have to think there will almost certainly be other services you can move your data to, on similar terms, for a long time.
That's assuming you're around at all, and nothing reeeeeally bad happens even so. Making data last after your death (or even after you stop paying!) is a lot harder in this environment, and achieving true 100-year durability is a tough nut indeed.
I like your bank idea, since the preservation of a bank account is just a specialized simple case of data preservation. Data preservation seems rather more reliable when the data is directly attached to money. Then again, maybe banks themselves are on their way out for this purpose — Dropbox could become the new safety-deposit box.
But there are 100-year domain registrations, after all. Maybe we're ready for organizations to at least offer 100-year storage, too.
- ghshephard 14y agoAnd, since you mentioned Danny Hills, it's also worth mentioning that (ironically?) Jeff Bezos is one of the principle supporters of http://longnow.org/clock/ http://longnow.org/clock/.
- arethuza 14y agoAnd that makes me think of Anathem and the potential issues around long-term data storage that is capable of surviving through falls of civilisations and/or sacks of storage areas.
- duskwuff 14y agoThat's no coincidence -- Anathem was inspired by the Long Now Foundation and their 10,000 Year Clock project.
- arethuza 14y agoProbably what would be required is an array of arrays of separate storage providers and services providing "RAID" on top of these storage providers - and you won't want to trust any of these you'll want a few of them... (hence the array of arrays).
- thebigshane 14y agoWow, does any service offer something like that? RAID6 would be pretty interesting across s3, google drive, (hrmm, what else? skydrive? rsync.net?)
- wvs 14y agohttps://tahoe-lafs.org/ https://tahoe-lafs.org/
- rsync 14y agoleastauthority.com (the Tahoe LAFS folks) are trying to promote the concept of "RAIC" (C=Cloud). I'm not sure what the status of the project is, though... FWIW, we are happy to support this kind of use, and see our customers doing it in an ad-hoc way every day. We have s3cmd in our environment, and support it. As soon as their is a glacier complement to s3cmd we will put that into place as well, although with the strange traffic and retrieval pricing, I'm not sure how useful folks will find it ...