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> "Incidentally, have you got a moment to talk about the white genocide in south africa?" Is this some sort of joke, or are you genuinely wanting to discuss wh

by zo1 1y ago

> "Incidentally, have you got a moment to talk about the white genocide in south africa?" Is this some sort of joke, or are you genuinely wanting to discuss what's happening here in South Africa? If it's a joke, I think it's in very poor taste at the expense of a persecuted minority. I have seen it, experienced it, and know full well how real it is, no matter how much social-media pushes it one way or the other.

reverendsteveii 1y ago
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- FredPret 1y ago
  > you can relax your grip on your pearls. Not the most polite way to discuss a genocide, or at the very least an absolutely dire situation.
  - alterom 1y ago
    >Not the most polite way to discuss a genocide, or at the very least an absolutely dire situation. It's as polite way as using the word genocide to describe the experience of white people in South Africa today merits. I can only reiterate the parent's recommendation to you.
    - FredPret 1y ago
      Here's Genocide Watch's take: https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages Stages currently active in SA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. Some people claim that the high murder rate among white SA'ns means they're also in stage 8/9, but actually the murder rate among black SA'ns is even higher. There's no genocide, but there's a whole lot of red flags and generally terrible things. Just because Trump believes something does not make it wrong. From elsewhere on that site: "Dr. Gregory Stanton, Founding President of Genocide Watch, warned that early warnings of genocide are still deep in South African society, though genocide has not begun." There are countless examples of early warnings. Here are a couple: - Former president of SA sings "bring my machine gun" song at ruling party conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIobjP3xAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIobjP3xAI - Same guy singing "kill the Boer": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JNc7SLUE1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JNc7SLUE1g Many similar statements have been made by other politicians, among them Julius Malema, who collectively represent a large part of SA's population, over the course of many years. Don't respond to something like this with a flippant statement about clutching your pearls.
      - alterom 1y ago
        >There's no genocide Thank you. This is all that needs to be said on this subject. The word genocide does not mean "a lot of red flags and generally terrible things", nor was it made to describe that. >Don't respond to something like this with a flippant statement about clutching your pearls. Don't clutch pearls then. As long as you keep abusing the word "genocide" to apply it to the plight of white people in South Africa, you'll get the response you think is flippant, and I consider to be insufficiently stern given the harm and disrespect of such usage. Saying this as a Jew whose family members were killed by the Nazis during WW2, by the way. They were KIA as soldiers, so I'm hesitant to label them as victims of genocide, even though they were certainly the target of it — out of respect both to them, and those who didn't get a chance to die fighting. You don't get to call a demand for respect flippant.
        FredPret 1y ago
        > Thank you. This is all that needs to be said on this subject. No? There are tons of completely insane things happening in SA, and much that needs to be said and done. If you're saying the minimum threshold for caring about what happens in other countries is actual genocide, then I disagree with you. People have been incorrectly calling this a genocide for a long time, which is why the PDF from Genocide Watch dates back to 2015. On the right you have people trying to make this even worse than it is, and on the left you have people trying to ignore it, or minimize it.
        alterom 1y ago
        >There are tons of completely insane things happening in SA, and much that needs to be said and done. If you're saying the minimum threshold for caring about what happens in other countries is actual genocide, then I disagree with you. I'm not saying that. The subject at hand is whether there's a "white genocide" taking place, and that subject is summed up in a single word: no. >People have been incorrectly calling this a genocide for a long time Which is why it's important to not perputate this harmful falsehood any further. >on the left you have people trying to ignore it, or minimize it. By using the term genocide where it's not applicable, you're actively minimizing the actual genocides that have taken place (or are taking place) — and by extension, you're complicit in minimizing the very issue you're discussing. See, we both agree that whatever is taking place in South Africa is not as bad as an actual genocide. But by using the word "genocide" in conjunction with it, you're diluting the meaning of the word reserved for the absolute extreme — you're helping spread the notion that genocide doesn't have to be that bad; that "red flags and terrible things" fits under the something sort of kind of like genocide label. What we have in the end is the parable of the boy who cried genocide [1]. The point of the parable isn't that there's no threat of a wolf attack, nor that is shouldn't be seriously considered. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf
afavour 1y ago
Musk’s AI Grok bot rants about ‘white genocide’ in South Africa in unrelated chats https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk-grok-white-genocide https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk... OP is using it as an example of mismanagement.
- loopdoend 1y ago
  Didn't someone discover the entire system prompt also?

by zo1 1y ago

reverendsteveii 1y ago

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FredPret 1y ago
> you can relax your grip on your pearls. Not the most polite way to discuss a genocide, or at the very least an absolutely dire situation.
- alterom 1y ago
  >Not the most polite way to discuss a genocide, or at the very least an absolutely dire situation. It's as polite way as using the word genocide to describe the experience of white people in South Africa today merits. I can only reiterate the parent's recommendation to you.
  - FredPret 1y ago
    Here's Genocide Watch's take: https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages Stages currently active in SA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. Some people claim that the high murder rate among white SA'ns means they're also in stage 8/9, but actually the murder rate among black SA'ns is even higher. There's no genocide, but there's a whole lot of red flags and generally terrible things. Just because Trump believes something does not make it wrong. From elsewhere on that site: "Dr. Gregory Stanton, Founding President of Genocide Watch, warned that early warnings of genocide are still deep in South African society, though genocide has not begun." There are countless examples of early warnings. Here are a couple: - Former president of SA sings "bring my machine gun" song at ruling party conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIobjP3xAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIobjP3xAI - Same guy singing "kill the Boer": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JNc7SLUE1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JNc7SLUE1g Many similar statements have been made by other politicians, among them Julius Malema, who collectively represent a large part of SA's population, over the course of many years. Don't respond to something like this with a flippant statement about clutching your pearls.
    - alterom 1y ago
      >There's no genocide Thank you. This is all that needs to be said on this subject. The word genocide does not mean "a lot of red flags and generally terrible things", nor was it made to describe that. >Don't respond to something like this with a flippant statement about clutching your pearls. Don't clutch pearls then. As long as you keep abusing the word "genocide" to apply it to the plight of white people in South Africa, you'll get the response you think is flippant, and I consider to be insufficiently stern given the harm and disrespect of such usage. Saying this as a Jew whose family members were killed by the Nazis during WW2, by the way. They were KIA as soldiers, so I'm hesitant to label them as victims of genocide, even though they were certainly the target of it — out of respect both to them, and those who didn't get a chance to die fighting. You don't get to call a demand for respect flippant.
      - FredPret 1y ago
        > Thank you. This is all that needs to be said on this subject. No? There are tons of completely insane things happening in SA, and much that needs to be said and done. If you're saying the minimum threshold for caring about what happens in other countries is actual genocide, then I disagree with you. People have been incorrectly calling this a genocide for a long time, which is why the PDF from Genocide Watch dates back to 2015. On the right you have people trying to make this even worse than it is, and on the left you have people trying to ignore it, or minimize it.
        alterom 1y ago
        >There are tons of completely insane things happening in SA, and much that needs to be said and done. If you're saying the minimum threshold for caring about what happens in other countries is actual genocide, then I disagree with you. I'm not saying that. The subject at hand is whether there's a "white genocide" taking place, and that subject is summed up in a single word: no. >People have been incorrectly calling this a genocide for a long time Which is why it's important to not perputate this harmful falsehood any further. >on the left you have people trying to ignore it, or minimize it. By using the term genocide where it's not applicable, you're actively minimizing the actual genocides that have taken place (or are taking place) — and by extension, you're complicit in minimizing the very issue you're discussing. See, we both agree that whatever is taking place in South Africa is not as bad as an actual genocide. But by using the word "genocide" in conjunction with it, you're diluting the meaning of the word reserved for the absolute extreme — you're helping spread the notion that genocide doesn't have to be that bad; that "red flags and terrible things" fits under the something sort of kind of like genocide label. What we have in the end is the parable of the boy who cried genocide [1]. The point of the parable isn't that there's no threat of a wolf attack, nor that is shouldn't be seriously considered. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

afavour 1y ago

Musk’s AI Grok bot rants about ‘white genocide’ in South Africa in unrelated chats https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk-grok-white-genocide https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk... OP is using it as an example of mismanagement.

loopdoend 1y ago
Didn't someone discover the entire system prompt also?