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Bluesky has the same problem as Mastodon. Both of which fully understand their problem; neither of which are willing to change. It's ultimately their choice to

Bluesky has the same problem as Mastodon. Both of which fully understand their problem; neither of which are willing to change. It's ultimately their choice to make. The current choice means they can never take off and they automatically let X win. Who am I to tell them what to do? It must be about 2 years ago when they published their community guideline rules and it's trivial to see how they have no chance of success.

TimorousBestie 1y ago
Hmm? What’s so objectionable in the community guideline rules?
- incomingpain 1y ago
  You're right, I caught myself committing a post hoc fallacy. Just because i predicted the guidelines would be damaging to their platform and now they are declining that these arent necessarily linked. Using OP website, I can see all top accounts seem to be democrats. No republicans or conservatives? When there is such an imbalance, the platform is behind it. If you actively ban entire ideological groups on a social platform, you're never going to be successful. What rule are these entire ideological groups violating? On various speedruns by conservatives that ive watched, they got banned for 'being disrespectful' or 'abuse' obviously a ban speedrun will typically run into the vague rules the most. Lets look at the rule. Treat others with respect. For example, no: Harassment or abuse directed at a specific person or group, https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:7qqkq2zdwq4j5jingukgtuky/post/3lbaamdzpfs2o https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:7qqkq2zdwq4j5jingukgtuky/po... "MAGA cultists" or "hateful cockroaches" is abusive towards a group. I would expect this post to violate bluesky rules. Yet not only allowed, well received with 7.4k likes. If a republican went on bluesky and called democrats cultists and cockroaches. How fast would they be banned?
fsflover 1y ago
> community guideline rules There's no such thing in Mastodon. Each server can choose their own rules.
- incomingpain 1y ago
  >There's no such thing in Mastodon. Each server can choose their own rules. Gab is a mastodon fork that is isolated from mastodon. What community guidelines did Gab violate?
  - fsflover 1y ago
    Each server decides on their own about interacting with other servers. Gab wasn't isolated by all servers, just those who prefer certain rules. You can create a server with your own rules.
    - TimorousBestie 1y ago
      What’s with all this beating around the bush? What “certain rules”? What community guideline did Bluesky implement to ensure they’d never “take off”?
      - fsflover 1y ago
        Which beating? There's no single set of rules in Mastodon and it can't exist, just like with emails. Large servers (like Gmail) can make their rules and ban everyone who disagrees, but you can conclude that "email has unfair rules" from that. I don't really care about the centralized Bluesky.
        TimorousBestie 1y ago
        > Gab wasn't isolated by all servers, just those who prefer certain rules. That’s the sentence I’m referencing. I understand how Mastodon works theoretically, but I have no idea why Gab was partially excluded. I haven’t been on Mastodon in years. This apparently plays into why OP thinks Bluesky is a dead end, so.
        fsflover 1y ago
        > I have no idea why Gab was partially excluded https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/07/statement-on-gabs-fork-of-mastodon/ https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/07/statement-on-gabs-fork... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19847481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19847481
archagon 1y ago
Doubt it. In my Bluesky and Mastodon feeds, there are plenty of intelligent and interesting people who will never return to Twitter under any circumstance. So I don't know if Twitter will ultimately "win" in terms of overall numbers, but the signal I care about simply won't be there. I suspect it will turn into a zombie social network like Facebook: full of trolls, bots, and annoying people trying to go viral.

TimorousBestie 1y ago

Hmm? What’s so objectionable in the community guideline rules?

incomingpain 1y ago
You're right, I caught myself committing a post hoc fallacy. Just because i predicted the guidelines would be damaging to their platform and now they are declining that these arent necessarily linked. Using OP website, I can see all top accounts seem to be democrats. No republicans or conservatives? When there is such an imbalance, the platform is behind it. If you actively ban entire ideological groups on a social platform, you're never going to be successful. What rule are these entire ideological groups violating? On various speedruns by conservatives that ive watched, they got banned for 'being disrespectful' or 'abuse' obviously a ban speedrun will typically run into the vague rules the most. Lets look at the rule. Treat others with respect. For example, no: Harassment or abuse directed at a specific person or group, https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:7qqkq2zdwq4j5jingukgtuky/post/3lbaamdzpfs2o https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:7qqkq2zdwq4j5jingukgtuky/po... "MAGA cultists" or "hateful cockroaches" is abusive towards a group. I would expect this post to violate bluesky rules. Yet not only allowed, well received with 7.4k likes. If a republican went on bluesky and called democrats cultists and cockroaches. How fast would they be banned?

fsflover 1y ago

> community guideline rules There's no such thing in Mastodon. Each server can choose their own rules.

incomingpain 1y ago
>There's no such thing in Mastodon. Each server can choose their own rules. Gab is a mastodon fork that is isolated from mastodon. What community guidelines did Gab violate?
- fsflover 1y ago
  Each server decides on their own about interacting with other servers. Gab wasn't isolated by all servers, just those who prefer certain rules. You can create a server with your own rules.
  - TimorousBestie 1y ago
    What’s with all this beating around the bush? What “certain rules”? What community guideline did Bluesky implement to ensure they’d never “take off”?
    - fsflover 1y ago
      Which beating? There's no single set of rules in Mastodon and it can't exist, just like with emails. Large servers (like Gmail) can make their rules and ban everyone who disagrees, but you can conclude that "email has unfair rules" from that. I don't really care about the centralized Bluesky.
      - TimorousBestie 1y ago
        > Gab wasn't isolated by all servers, just those who prefer certain rules. That’s the sentence I’m referencing. I understand how Mastodon works theoretically, but I have no idea why Gab was partially excluded. I haven’t been on Mastodon in years. This apparently plays into why OP thinks Bluesky is a dead end, so.
        fsflover 1y ago
        > I have no idea why Gab was partially excluded https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/07/statement-on-gabs-fork-of-mastodon/ https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/07/statement-on-gabs-fork... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19847481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19847481

archagon 1y ago

Doubt it. In my Bluesky and Mastodon feeds, there are plenty of intelligent and interesting people who will never return to Twitter under any circumstance. So I don't know if Twitter will ultimately "win" in terms of overall numbers, but the signal I care about simply won't be there. I suspect it will turn into a zombie social network like Facebook: full of trolls, bots, and annoying people trying to go viral.