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> I think you could make similar arguments about mapping technology like Google and Apple Maps The problem is that mapping software is reliable and doesn't spi

> I think you could make similar arguments about mapping technology like Google and Apple Maps The problem is that mapping software is reliable and doesn't spit out a result of what is essentially a random number generator. You can rely on its output, the same way you can rely on a calculator. Not always, mind you, because mapping the entire globe is a massively complex task with countless caveats and edge cases, but compared to LLM output? Even with a temperature setting of 0 with the same prompt regenerated multiple times, you'll be getting vastly different output. Also, since LLMs cover a much more broad swathe of concepts, people are going to be using these instead of their brains in a lot of situations where they really shouldn't. Even with maps, there are people out there that will drive into a lake because Google Maps told them that's where the street was, I can't even fathom the type of shit that's going to happen from people blindly trusting LLM output and supplanting all their thinking with LLM usage.

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rpgraham84 1y ago
>The problem is that mapping software is reliable and doesn't spit out a result of what is essentially a random number generator. Actually, TSP is NP-hard (ie, at best, you never know whether you've been given the optimal route) in the general case, and Google maps might even give suboptimal routes intentionally sometimes, we don't know. The problems you're describing are problems with people and they apply to every technology ever. Eg, people crash cars, blow up their houses by leaving the stove on, etc.
makeitdouble 1y ago
> The problem is that mapping software is reliable and doesn't spit out a result of what is essentially a random number generator. Not really. I am not good at navigation yet love to walk around, so I use a set of maps apps a lot. Google Maps is not reliable if you expect optimal routes, and its accuracy sharply falls if you're not traveling by car. Even then, bus lanes, prioerty lanes, time limited areas etc. will be a bloodbath if you expect Maps to understand them. Mapping itself will often be inacurate in any town that isn't frozen in time for decades, place names are often wrong, and it has no concept of verticality/3D space, short of switching to limited experimental views. Paid dedicated map apps will in general work a lot better (I'm thinking hiking maps etc.) All to say, I'd mostly agree with parent on how fuzzier Maps are.
pjmlp 1y ago
As someone that has been sent into barely usable mountain roads, militar compounds, or dried river beds multiple times in a couple of Mediterrean islands, I beg to differ with mapping software is reliable assertion.
dTal 1y ago
>Even with a temperature setting of 0 with the same prompt regenerated multiple times, you'll be getting vastly different output. Er, no?

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rpgraham84 1y ago

>The problem is that mapping software is reliable and doesn't spit out a result of what is essentially a random number generator. Actually, TSP is NP-hard (ie, at best, you never know whether you've been given the optimal route) in the general case, and Google maps might even give suboptimal routes intentionally sometimes, we don't know. The problems you're describing are problems with people and they apply to every technology ever. Eg, people crash cars, blow up their houses by leaving the stove on, etc.

makeitdouble 1y ago

> The problem is that mapping software is reliable and doesn't spit out a result of what is essentially a random number generator. Not really. I am not good at navigation yet love to walk around, so I use a set of maps apps a lot. Google Maps is not reliable if you expect optimal routes, and its accuracy sharply falls if you're not traveling by car. Even then, bus lanes, prioerty lanes, time limited areas etc. will be a bloodbath if you expect Maps to understand them. Mapping itself will often be inacurate in any town that isn't frozen in time for decades, place names are often wrong, and it has no concept of verticality/3D space, short of switching to limited experimental views. Paid dedicated map apps will in general work a lot better (I'm thinking hiking maps etc.) All to say, I'd mostly agree with parent on how fuzzier Maps are.

pjmlp 1y ago

As someone that has been sent into barely usable mountain roads, militar compounds, or dried river beds multiple times in a couple of Mediterrean islands, I beg to differ with mapping software is reliable assertion.

dTal 1y ago

>Even with a temperature setting of 0 with the same prompt regenerated multiple times, you'll be getting vastly different output. Er, no?