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The same could come to Europe (lowballing broke people), because you can just make employees give their consent by baking it into all employment contracts. Just
by octo888 1y ago
The same could come to Europe (lowballing broke people), because you can just make employees give their consent by baking it into all employment contracts. Just like the working time directive opt-out (HR say "take it or leave it" to 99.9% of people).
It probably already happens where it's already acceptable to request financial checks such as the finance industry.
- actionfromafar 1y agoYou could try, but that would most likely be illegal and also fought tooth and nail by unions, which aren't as neutered as American unions. In Europe, sympathy strikes aren't Verboten like in the US.
- Mindwipe 1y agoIt depends on the territory, there's no pan-Europe regulation on it. Even when the UK was in the EU sympathy strikes were illegal (to a much greater extent than the US).
- octo888 1y agoMany countries in Europe have weak unions (eg Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Portugal, Czech Republic, Greece). And there is no real EU (did you mean EU by "Europe"?) wide labour law
- croes 1y agoThat would violate privacy laws. They could put it into the contract but they would be void
- octo888 1y agoI don't agree. Which laws? Putting it in the contract is giving your permission. You're allowed to give your permission under GDPR. A similar thing happened with the Working Time Directive - almost all contracts in my country make you agree to opt-out and that's been like that for over 15 years
- fsflover 1y ago> Putting it in the contract is giving your permission. You're allowed to give your permission under GDPR. AFAIK the company must make it opt-in, non-mandatory and provide a way to change your mind at any moment.
- octo888 1y agoYes, as I said, by putting it in the employment contract when applying for a job. Honestly it's hilarious how some people view GDPR. They think CEOs lose sleep at night worrying about it, that they might go to jail for it, or have to pay 100M Euro fine for a breach of it. It's simply not the case. The reality of EU directives and regulations are very different to how they are sold. Many people fall prey to the marketing
- croes 1y agoThere are many much older privacy laws then just GDPR.
- fsflover 1y ago> Many people fall prey to the marketing It seems you did fall prey to the anti-GDPR marketing. It's being actually enforced [0] and doesn't allow "all or nothing" pseudo-consent [1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39813801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39813801 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272861; (upd:) an even better link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40974361 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40974361
- octo888 1y agoI'm not implying or stating no fines are issued, so linking that some fines are issued is not a rebuttal. Also note that site does not track payments made. The big headline fines serve as a nice bit of PR for the EU > It seems you did fall prey to the anti-GDPR marketing. Nice retort but I have not. Being critical of EU regulations and not an EU sycophant is not falling prey to "anti-GDPR" marketing. I'm actually generally pro EU; I'm just tired of people (especially non-Europeans) implying we have absolute privacy, zero privacy issues, total wins against corporations etc.
- bootsmann 1y agoThe problem is the party selling that data actually. The nurses would need to consent that whomever the data broker got that data from to share their data with the broker and for the broker to share that data with the nursing service.