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It's really funny to me that with both the AI act and GDPR, you will see swathes of threads of people on HN bashing the law only to then later discover the purp

It's really funny to me that with both the AI act and GDPR, you will see swathes of threads of people on HN bashing the law only to then later discover the purpose of this legislation from first principles.

octo888 1y ago
The same could come to Europe (lowballing broke people), because you can just make employees give their consent by baking it into all employment contracts. Just like the working time directive opt-out (HR say "take it or leave it" to 99.9% of people). It probably already happens where it's already acceptable to request financial checks such as the finance industry.
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  You could try, but that would most likely be illegal and also fought tooth and nail by unions, which aren't as neutered as American unions. In Europe, sympathy strikes aren't Verboten like in the US.
  - Mindwipe 1y ago
    It depends on the territory, there's no pan-Europe regulation on it. Even when the UK was in the EU sympathy strikes were illegal (to a much greater extent than the US).
  - octo888 1y ago
    Many countries in Europe have weak unions (eg Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Portugal, Czech Republic, Greece). And there is no real EU (did you mean EU by "Europe"?) wide labour law
- croes 1y ago
  That would violate privacy laws. They could put it into the contract but they would be void
  - octo888 1y ago
    I don't agree. Which laws? Putting it in the contract is giving your permission. You're allowed to give your permission under GDPR. A similar thing happened with the Working Time Directive - almost all contracts in my country make you agree to opt-out and that's been like that for over 15 years
    - fsflover 1y ago
      > Putting it in the contract is giving your permission. You're allowed to give your permission under GDPR. AFAIK the company must make it opt-in, non-mandatory and provide a way to change your mind at any moment.
      - octo888 1y ago
        Yes, as I said, by putting it in the employment contract when applying for a job. Honestly it's hilarious how some people view GDPR. They think CEOs lose sleep at night worrying about it, that they might go to jail for it, or have to pay 100M Euro fine for a breach of it. It's simply not the case. The reality of EU directives and regulations are very different to how they are sold. Many people fall prey to the marketing
        croes 1y ago
        There are many much older privacy laws then just GDPR.
        fsflover 1y ago
        > Many people fall prey to the marketing It seems you did fall prey to the anti-GDPR marketing. It's being actually enforced [0] and doesn't allow "all or nothing" pseudo-consent [1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39813801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39813801 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272861; (upd:) an even better link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40974361 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40974361
- bootsmann 1y ago
  The problem is the party selling that data actually. The nurses would need to consent that whomever the data broker got that data from to share their data with the broker and for the broker to share that data with the nursing service.
aitchnyu 1y ago
15 years back, I was subscribed to EU official blog which presents their side of tabloid headlines like "Overpaid French suits want to ban blue stickers on only freckled apples". Did they publish ones for AI Act and GDPR, especially as more countries elect manly commonsense billionaire sympathizers?
- amiga386 1y ago
  They stopped in 2017, sadly. https://web.archive.org/web/20200131192225/https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200131192225/https://blogs.ec.... Edit: their very last entry was on GDPR: https://wayback.archive-it.org/11980/20200131184218/https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/eu-data-protection-rules-do-not-ban-christmas-wish-lists-in-bavaria-or-elsewhere/ https://wayback.archive-it.org/11980/20200131184218/https://...

octo888 1y ago

The same could come to Europe (lowballing broke people), because you can just make employees give their consent by baking it into all employment contracts. Just like the working time directive opt-out (HR say "take it or leave it" to 99.9% of people). It probably already happens where it's already acceptable to request financial checks such as the finance industry.

actionfromafar 1y ago
You could try, but that would most likely be illegal and also fought tooth and nail by unions, which aren't as neutered as American unions. In Europe, sympathy strikes aren't Verboten like in the US.
- Mindwipe 1y ago
  It depends on the territory, there's no pan-Europe regulation on it. Even when the UK was in the EU sympathy strikes were illegal (to a much greater extent than the US).
- octo888 1y ago
  Many countries in Europe have weak unions (eg Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Portugal, Czech Republic, Greece). And there is no real EU (did you mean EU by "Europe"?) wide labour law
croes 1y ago
That would violate privacy laws. They could put it into the contract but they would be void
- octo888 1y ago
  I don't agree. Which laws? Putting it in the contract is giving your permission. You're allowed to give your permission under GDPR. A similar thing happened with the Working Time Directive - almost all contracts in my country make you agree to opt-out and that's been like that for over 15 years
  - fsflover 1y ago
    > Putting it in the contract is giving your permission. You're allowed to give your permission under GDPR. AFAIK the company must make it opt-in, non-mandatory and provide a way to change your mind at any moment.
    - octo888 1y ago
      Yes, as I said, by putting it in the employment contract when applying for a job. Honestly it's hilarious how some people view GDPR. They think CEOs lose sleep at night worrying about it, that they might go to jail for it, or have to pay 100M Euro fine for a breach of it. It's simply not the case. The reality of EU directives and regulations are very different to how they are sold. Many people fall prey to the marketing
      - croes 1y ago
        There are many much older privacy laws then just GDPR.
      - fsflover 1y ago
        > Many people fall prey to the marketing It seems you did fall prey to the anti-GDPR marketing. It's being actually enforced [0] and doesn't allow "all or nothing" pseudo-consent [1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39813801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39813801 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272861; (upd:) an even better link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40974361 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40974361
bootsmann 1y ago
The problem is the party selling that data actually. The nurses would need to consent that whomever the data broker got that data from to share their data with the broker and for the broker to share that data with the nursing service.

aitchnyu 1y ago

15 years back, I was subscribed to EU official blog which presents their side of tabloid headlines like "Overpaid French suits want to ban blue stickers on only freckled apples". Did they publish ones for AI Act and GDPR, especially as more countries elect manly commonsense billionaire sympathizers?

amiga386 1y ago
They stopped in 2017, sadly. https://web.archive.org/web/20200131192225/https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200131192225/https://blogs.ec.... Edit: their very last entry was on GDPR: https://wayback.archive-it.org/11980/20200131184218/https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/eu-data-protection-rules-do-not-ban-christmas-wish-lists-in-bavaria-or-elsewhere/ https://wayback.archive-it.org/11980/20200131184218/https://...