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Despite the fact that I hate intensely some anonymous Intel employees, buying AMD instead of Intel is not an emotional decision for me. I hate many things done
by adrian_b 1y ago
Despite the fact that I hate intensely some anonymous Intel employees, buying AMD instead of Intel is not an emotional decision for me.
I hate many things done by Intel, but I hate none more than whoever has conceived around 1994 the market segmentation between Pentium and Pentium Pro. Those people are the origin of the fact that today the majority of the non-server computers lack protection against memory errors and the memory modules with ECC have a price much higher than justified by their production cost.
While this market segmentation scheme has increased the profits for both CPU and memory manufacturers, it will never be possible to estimate the financial losses that it has caused upon the rest of the world, due to things like undetected data corruption and computer crashes misattributed to software bugs.
However, that is not the reason why 6 years have passed since the last time when I have bought Intel CPUs (early 2019, when I have bought a couple of Intel NUCs), despite previously having been a big spender on Intel CPUs.
The programs that are the most important for me are either programs that I write myself or programs that I compile from sources with whatever compilation options I choose. Therefore buying today any x86 CPU that does not support AVX-512 would be unacceptable.
AVX-512 is a much better vector ISA than AVX and actually its current names of AVX-512 or AVX10 are an insult, because AVX-512 has not been an evolution of AVX. The Larrabee New Instructions (the initial name of AVX-512) have been developed and also implemented slightly earlier than AVX. The first product with AVX, Sandy Bridge, was launched in 2011, while the first product with the Larrabee New Instructions had been delivered (in development systems) one year earlier.
AVX should have never existed, but it was a creation of the Intel Team A, while Larrabee was a creation of outsiders together with the Team C or D. As launched in 2011, AVX was much worse, being a completely obsolete vector ISA on the day of its launch, but it has been improved a lot in 2013, when Haswell has added to AVX many instructions taken from Larrabee, including FMA3 and gather.
Now, the Intel CPUs that support AVX-512 are too expensive in comparison with AMD alternatives, while the Intel CPUs with decent prices lack AVX-512 support, so they have a much lower performance than they should in any application that can benefit from array operations. The too low performance of the Intel CPUs is masked by the legacy applications, which have avoided to use AVX-512, because most of the installed base of CPUs lacked support, but I do not care about legacy applications.
Currently AMD does not have CPUs optimized for low-power levels, i.e. for TDPs of 6/7 W, like Intel Twin Lake/Amston Lake, or TDPs of 15 to 17 W, like Intel Lunar Lake. For such low powers, either ARM-based or Intel CPUs are suitable, while AMD is the best for any size equal to or greater than that of an Intel NUC or of a not too thin tablet/notebook (for the classic Intel NUC size, i.e. for a volume of 0.5 liter with active cooling, a CPU TDP of 28 to 35 W is optimal, e.g. an AMD Strix Point CPU; Lunar Lake is a too weak CPU for the Intel NUC size, while Arrow Lake H would have been powerful enough, but it does not support AVX-512 like AMD).
So after the Intel Lunar Lake launch, I have planned for some time to buy a Lunar Lake computer, for a low power application, because I was also curious to test the new Lion Cove and Skymont CPU cores. However, I have abandoned these plans after it became known that Lunar Lake has a bug that makes MONITOR/MWAIT unreliable. For me this is a critical feature and a great advantage of the x86 CPUs. Without it working, I shall better get an ARM-based SBC for that application.
- wahern 1y agoAMD also segments, even with respect to ECC. Not all Ryzen CPUs support ECC, officially or unofficially. IME, it's easier to find or build a low-power, ECC-supporting server system based on Intel than AMD, though that says more about Intel's robust channel partner network. Nominally, more of AMD's product range supports ECC than Intel's.
- adrian_b 1y agoWhile you are right that AMD also disables ECC in some products, e.g. in most laptop CPUs, and it also has far worse software support for ECC in its consumer products than Intel (i.e. its EDAC drivers are seldom up-to-date and with all features working), as an individual or small business it is far more easy to buy and assemble a workstation or server with ECC memory using AMD CPUs. The motherboards for Intel CPUs with ECC support are expensive and they can be found in very few places. In Europe, you may need to order such a motherboard from another country. On the other hand, I can buy an ASRock or ASUS motherboard with ECC support for the AM5 socket from any shop around me at a much lower price. The availability of ECC-supporting CPUs and UDIMMs is identical for Intel and AMD, but there is a great difference in the availability of motherboards in favor of AMD.