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The world where JavaScript has a robust standard library is one where there is only one browser vendor who gets to call all the shots regarding what the web loo

by yen223 1y ago

The world where JavaScript has a robust standard library is one where there is only one browser vendor who gets to call all the shots regarding what the web looks like. That is not a better world.

Y_Y 1y ago
> That is not a better world. Not a better world, just the current world.
- aloha2436 1y ago
  Safari is too valuable of a platform for web developers to ignore, but otherwise yes it's the only real exception to the Chrome monopoly and still certainly much smaller in terms of absolute users.
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    I use Firefox on all my devices.
    - nomdep 1y ago
      Mozilla is no longer a better actor than Google or Apple, just smaller
cjpearson 1y ago
Possibly, although the fix for this particular issue (Temporal API) is available in the current release of Firefox as well as the preview release of Safari, but it's not in that dominant browser.
baq 1y ago
Actually it is. Sorry.
h4ck_th3_pl4n3t 1y ago
Kind of funny that you think the open web still exists. I mean, even Microsoft gave up and just went with Chromium, and they got the definition of almost infinite resources at their disposal. Effectively if your website doesn't run in Chrome and Safari, it won't be seen by 99% of the market.
- 0points 1y ago
  > even Microsoft gave up Ah yes, Microsoft, the defenders of the free world.
  - oarsinsync 1y ago
    > > even Microsoft gave up ... and they got the definition of almost infinite resources at their disposal > Ah yes, Microsoft, the defenders of the free world. No, Microsoft, one of the few businesses in the world that has both the technical ability, and the financial muscle, to be able to develop their own browser engine. Who still chose not to. Leaving us stuck in the duopoly of Apple and Google, even outside of our mobile phones.
  - arcanemachiner 1y ago
    Embrace Extend Enhance the world's beauty
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
johncoltrane 1y ago
I want that world.
Xelbair 1y ago
and that differs from chrome dictating standards how? also this could've been handled easily by committee(ugh), or a 3rd party open source organization akin to linux foundation that just makes js library that all browser vendors use. Or making just a specification for JS handling things. you know - like a lot of other languages are handled, including their standard library.

by yen223 1y ago

The world where JavaScript has a robust standard library is one where there is only one browser vendor who gets to call all the shots regarding what the web looks like. That is not a better world.

Y_Y 1y ago

> That is not a better world. Not a better world, just the current world.

aloha2436 1y ago
Safari is too valuable of a platform for web developers to ignore, but otherwise yes it's the only real exception to the Chrome monopoly and still certainly much smaller in terms of absolute users.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  I use Firefox on all my devices.
  - nomdep 1y ago
    Mozilla is no longer a better actor than Google or Apple, just smaller

cjpearson 1y ago

Possibly, although the fix for this particular issue (Temporal API) is available in the current release of Firefox as well as the preview release of Safari, but it's not in that dominant browser.

baq 1y ago

Actually it is. Sorry.

h4ck_th3_pl4n3t 1y ago

Kind of funny that you think the open web still exists. I mean, even Microsoft gave up and just went with Chromium, and they got the definition of almost infinite resources at their disposal. Effectively if your website doesn't run in Chrome and Safari, it won't be seen by 99% of the market.

0points 1y ago
> even Microsoft gave up Ah yes, Microsoft, the defenders of the free world.
- oarsinsync 1y ago
  > > even Microsoft gave up ... and they got the definition of almost infinite resources at their disposal > Ah yes, Microsoft, the defenders of the free world. No, Microsoft, one of the few businesses in the world that has both the technical ability, and the financial muscle, to be able to develop their own browser engine. Who still chose not to. Leaving us stuck in the duopoly of Apple and Google, even outside of our mobile phones.
- arcanemachiner 1y ago
  Embrace Extend Enhance the world's beauty
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]

johncoltrane 1y ago

I want that world.

Xelbair 1y ago

and that differs from chrome dictating standards how? also this could've been handled easily by committee(ugh), or a 3rd party open source organization akin to linux foundation that just makes js library that all browser vendors use. Or making just a specification for JS handling things. you know - like a lot of other languages are handled, including their standard library.