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Space shuttle development can be traced to the Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-20_Dyna-Soar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_

Space shuttle development can be traced to the Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-20_Dyna-Soar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-20_Dyna-Soar ) which began in 1957, the MiG-105 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-105 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-105 ) from 1965, and the Silbervogel project ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbervogel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbervogel ) from 1941. The space shuttle didn't fly until 1981. Try again.

Retric 1y ago
I’m not sure you’ve really thought that argument through to it’s conclusion. > the MiG-105 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-105 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-105 ) from 1965, and the Silbervogel project ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbervogel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbervogel ) from 1941. Starship can trace its development back to the 1920’s seeing as the team leveraged that research, if you’re going to use such a meaningless definition including USSR projects as a legacy here Starship loses simply because of the much later launch date.
- timschmidt 1y ago
  > if you’re going to use such a meaningless definition including USSR projects as a legacy here So you're not even aware of how the shuttle was developed and are just making ill-informed assumptions. Got it.
  - Retric 1y ago
    I’m well aware of the link, but again Starship shares similar links with much older projects. We can trace them both down to liquid rocket propulsion, but one flew in 1980’s the other is still in R&D.
    - timschmidt 1y ago
      > I’m well aware of the link Then why don't you tell us about it?
      - Retric 1y ago
        > Then why don't you tell us about it? Because you’re obviously trying to deflect from a lost argument. Starship has clearly been mismanaged and nothing you’ve suggested has actually countered that core issue.
        timschmidt 1y ago
        Well, I've provided plenty of links and facts. You've provided your unique opinions, little else, and seem wholly unaware of the development history of these vehicles you claim to know better than rocket engineers about. Even if I use your example and timeline: Shuttle: 1968 (project announced) - 1981 (first launch): 13 years Starship: 2012 (project announced) - 2022 (first launch): 10 years Starship's several years ahead of Shuttle development. Hilarious conversation. Thanks for providing laughs for the evening.
        Retric 1y ago
        golf clap Yep, you’ve got nothing. Starship even borrows heavily from the shuttle program using a lifting body design etc.
        timschmidt 1y ago
        One last link for ya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
        Retric 1y ago
        I’d rather have a coherent debate, but I’ll take a laugh instead. At least have the dignity of walking away.

Retric 1y ago

I’m not sure you’ve really thought that argument through to it’s conclusion. > the MiG-105 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-105 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-105 ) from 1965, and the Silbervogel project ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbervogel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbervogel ) from 1941. Starship can trace its development back to the 1920’s seeing as the team leveraged that research, if you’re going to use such a meaningless definition including USSR projects as a legacy here Starship loses simply because of the much later launch date.

timschmidt 1y ago
> if you’re going to use such a meaningless definition including USSR projects as a legacy here So you're not even aware of how the shuttle was developed and are just making ill-informed assumptions. Got it.
- Retric 1y ago
  I’m well aware of the link, but again Starship shares similar links with much older projects. We can trace them both down to liquid rocket propulsion, but one flew in 1980’s the other is still in R&D.
  - timschmidt 1y ago
    > I’m well aware of the link Then why don't you tell us about it?
    - Retric 1y ago
      > Then why don't you tell us about it? Because you’re obviously trying to deflect from a lost argument. Starship has clearly been mismanaged and nothing you’ve suggested has actually countered that core issue.
      - timschmidt 1y ago
        Well, I've provided plenty of links and facts. You've provided your unique opinions, little else, and seem wholly unaware of the development history of these vehicles you claim to know better than rocket engineers about. Even if I use your example and timeline: Shuttle: 1968 (project announced) - 1981 (first launch): 13 years Starship: 2012 (project announced) - 2022 (first launch): 10 years Starship's several years ahead of Shuttle development. Hilarious conversation. Thanks for providing laughs for the evening.
        Retric 1y ago
        golf clap Yep, you’ve got nothing. Starship even borrows heavily from the shuttle program using a lifting body design etc.
        timschmidt 1y ago
        One last link for ya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
        Retric 1y ago
        I’d rather have a coherent debate, but I’ll take a laugh instead. At least have the dignity of walking away.